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  • Keith S.
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    I've heard and read on other forums that the D.L. Walter's books are "out-dated", but I haven't read any of those so I can't comment on them. Like many have said, be patient and consistent. I would also get a program together, Walter or Smartworks for example, and follow them with consistancy. Don't expect much from your dog it's first season, it's a huge learning expereince for the both of you.

    For know, I would find someone to give you some wings and get that dog fired up about birds now!!! Don't worry too much about obedience for now, I would do some "sit" and "here", but don't be hard on the dog let him be a puppy. Spend as much time with him as possible, take him everywhere you can, the bond between the two of you will be strong and exposing him to new surrondings will pay off in the long run.

    Like Ty said, I would consider joining a retriever club, I know it's the best thing I did for me and my dog. I joined Elkorn Valley HRC when it first started and I had probably your avg. hunting dog with far below avg obedience. The other, more experienced members helped me alot with everything, my dog went from being able to only do simple singles to complex triples, big blinds, and excellent line/blind manners, which is really nice if you hunt waterfowl. It's also nice to not have to leave the blind to pick up birds. I got hooked on hunt tests, which tests aren't for everyone, but it makes you keep your dog in "hunting season" year round.

    Elkorn Valley HRC will be having a meeting the beginning of November, I'll post up more info on that when I get it lined up.

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  • chrismac34
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    I think the book by D.L. Walters is called "Training Retrievers to Handle". Very good book, that is sometimes overlooked because of the popularity of the "Waterdog"/ "Gundog" series. Good luck with the new pup.

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  • Dolomite
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    congrats on the new puppy! one thing is for sure, those types of dogs are VERY smart, and can be trained for hunting, pretty easily. They have a KEEN sense of hunting already, especially if his parents were avid hunting dogs. My 2 cents - back to my corner now

    :o

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  • jimk
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    upland

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  • tomich
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    We are both right

    http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&vwcatalog=gundog&catalog=gundog&query=book:%20water%20dog%20by%20d.l.%20wolters

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  • MasterAngler
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    Are you looking to train the pup for upland or waterfowl? Or both?

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  • jimk
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    I don't have the $$$ to spend on obedience school I'm only 4 months out of college. I do think that it would be money well spent. There are few things as annoying as a dog that won't follow basic commands. Maybe they could teach the lil' guy that my leg is not a chew toy.

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  • MasterAngler
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    Originally posted by tomich
    hey lablvr, not to be rude but I am holding on to a copy of Waterdog right know copyright date 1995 by an author named Richard A Wolters
    ME too......:d

    Maybe D.L Walters wrote a similiar book - I don't know.

    Regardless, if you are serious about training the pup yourself..... Water Dog by Richard Wolters is a great book.

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  • tomich
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    hey lablvr, not to be rude but I am holding on to a copy of Waterdog right know copyright date 1995 by an author named Richard A Wolters

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  • lablvr
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    Hey Master Angler, I do not want to be rude and maybe I am misinformed but I believe the book "Water Dog" was written by D.L. Walters not Richard Wolters. I just came back from Walters Kennels in La Cygne Kansas picking up my 1 year old black lab, D.L. and his wife no longer live there. In fact they sold the kennel business to Doug Griener years back. But I have had the pleasure of meeting DL and he did autograph a copy of Water Dog for me.
    Yes some of the techniques have changed from what the book speaks of but in my opinon it is the BIBLE of dog training.
    Just though credit should go where it belongs, but I could be wrong on it, it has happened before (so my wife says)

    Oh and to JIMK go spend the $$$ to have at least basic obiedence done by a professional it is worth every cent you spend and if you have the means to do so have the dog trained to force fetch, casting, running patterns, as far as you can afford. While the time you loose with them can never be retrieved the dog will not forget you. As I stated above I just picked up our 1 year old lab from Walters Kennels in Kansas, she is the 2nd dog we have had trained there and believe me it took all of 30 seconds for the dog to become my sons best freind once again. Doug Griener has at least 1 video out and he really follows DL Walters training regiment with some updated ways. Spend the $$ if you can and trust me when I say Momma will let that dog go where ever it wants to go if it listens!

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  • MasterAngler
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    I've read Wolters "Waterdog" book and used it to train my chocalate lab. Probably old school as far as training techniques- yet very effective IMO.

    One thing that hasn't been mentioned and a very important tip from the book Waterdog:

    I can't remember the exact age (# of weeks) that Wolters suggested doing this but - buy a cap gun and shoot it everytime right before you feed the pup. His theory was that something positive will happen after a loud bang and the dog is less likely to become gunshy.

    I'm sure there are other steps to prevent a "gun-shy" dog but that is one thing I can remember from reading his book.

    Obviously, the last thing you want is a well trained hunting dog that freaks out when you fire a shot and runs back to the truck.....

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  • Ty S
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    Id also suggest joining a local dog training club. I know that the Elkhorn Valley Hunting Retriever Club is located mostly in the NE part of the state.

    Contact Keith Spader for more details. [email protected]

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  • jimk
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    Thanks for the helpful advice.

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  • QuackerTracker
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    [quote=tomich]There is an author by the name of Richard A. Wolters, he has several books that I believe are a must.
    Gun Dog
    Water Dog
    I agree with Tomich sort of. I trained my Yellow Lab using Wolters water dog and I couldn't be happier. I disagree with the comment about getting a good shock collar. I don't think shock collars are necessary if you are consisent and spend the time needed to train your new hunting partner. Remember CONSISTENCY,CONSISTENCY,CONSISTENCY. POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT,POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT,POSITIVE REINFORMENT. End on a good note and leave pup wanting more!!!By all means have FUN!!!

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  • BPbowhunter
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    Good luck!! and congrats on the new puppy.:2thumbup:

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