NU vs. Wake Forest - Page 2

suddawg · 09-04-2007, 11:13 PM

Win or lose...I think the USC game is going to be far better this year. But first they got to get through Wake Forest, so we'll see.

SudDawg

LundLover · 09-08-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex T.

Is it a home game or away?? Home game-----NU 35 WF17 Away game-------NU24 WF21

Alex

I'd have to say Alex's 3 point spread was the closest....you da man.

**RedefiningFate** · 09-08-2007, 05:24 PM

They play like they did today against USC and it is going to be embarrassing to watch...

brian40 · 09-08-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RedefiningFate

They play like they did today against USC and it is going to be embarrassing to watch...

Alex T. · 09-08-2007, 05:33 PM

Yeah,but people will still spend $300(or more) to watch it in person.

Alex

GenericAngler · 09-08-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RedefiningFate

They play like they did today against USC and it is going to be embarrassing to watch...

Look on the bright side....after about the first quarter you can make other plans

Fishingnerd33 · 09-09-2007, 02:25 PM

Regarding the USC game, Nebraska honestly can't win this game. USC has superior players & coaching. I'm not knocking NU's players but USC is simply the better team. Just squeaking out a 20-17 win against Wake doesn't provide much hope. Granted they were the defending ACC champs but the ACC isn't what it used to be before they split all the teams up.

Callahan will get out-coached again by Pete Carroll. Callahan is too much of a politician than a coach. I honestly have no idea why Callahan has been embraced by the athletic staff at the University. It makes me wonder why we get rid of a coach that had won roughly 9 games a year and give a coach a 5 year deal that gave us the worst season in forever???

Our quarterback is too inexperienced to lead us against J.D.B. & his receiving core. Last year we had a legitimate chance to beat them on their field, but I doubt they'll overlook us like they did.

I'll be interested to see how badly Bill gets outcoached. It's just sad that a team that's been known for such success is run by him. But no matter who coaches them, I still bleed Husker crimson!!!

GO BIG RED!! (how original of me huh?)

LundLover · 09-09-2007, 03:33 PM

Nerd,

I agree with your points but disagree with your conclusion. You can't say that Nebraska "can't win" against USC. Appalachan State proved that anything can happen. But Nebraska has to play a near perfect game (how often does that happen) and USC has to play poorly (Again, how often does that happen)

So it CAN happen. And we have to pray for a miracle.

But you are right, it sure seems HIGHLY unlikely.

Fishingnerd33 · 09-09-2007, 03:37 PM

Lund,

True, I shouldn't have said can't. The Appalachan State game should give every underdog hope, no matter the opponent. You're right, possible, but very unlikely.

GO NU!

**Catfishsteve** · 09-09-2007, 04:46 PM

***It makes me wonder why we get rid of a coach that had won roughly 9 games a year ***

Maybe because he never won a road game against a ranked team?

***USC has superior players & coaching.****

That we held to 28 points on the road last year with our very poor defensive secondary.

***Our quarterback is too inexperienced to lead us against J.D.B. & his receiving core.***

Keller has led a team to a bowl victory. This is college ball. What more do you want? I don't think Joe Montana has any eligibility left.

IMO, the Wake Forest victory is the most quality win for NU since Coach Osborne left the program, all things considered. Put that with the complete spanking of Nevada the week before and I'd say our chances against USC are at approaching 50-50. USC is not as good as they were last year. I'd say NU is much improved and we've got them at home.

NU has huge problems that I see, granted. But I don't think those problems have anything to do with the offensive scheme or who the quarterback is or even what team is standing on the other sideline.

IMO, the two big things that will kill Nebraska this week, if they get killed, are the same two things that have killed them more than any other every week since Coach Osborne retired.

#1) The failure of the first linebacker or defensive back to meet the ball carrier to EVER stop the forward progress of the opposing ball carrier or drop them to the ground. Yards after first contact kill this team. They tackle like they are always waiting for someone else to come up and finish off the ball carrier. How many times do we nail a running back in the hole or at the line (or in the backfield) and he still gets 5-6 yds? Too many arm tackles and defenders trying to hit guys while they are on their knees. This is a bad habit and mindset that has been rampant on the "blackshirts" since the Solich days.

#2) Particularly on offense, "starters" don't get benched after repeated stupid mental mistakes; fumbles, thrown interceptions, dropped passes. These guys are division 1, scholarship players. If they can't learn how to play team football and protect the football, they need to have a seat. Again, a huge mindset problem hanging on since the Solich days. There have been way too many mistakes, even lately, that could be cured by an afternoon of running stadium stairs instead of acting like a NFL wanna-be's all the time.

I would play waterboys and cheereleaders at this point before Purify and a couple others ever even dressed for a game again.

(Mike Brown just picked off Phil Rivers in the Chicago game. Nice!! )

suddawg · 09-09-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishingnerd33

Regarding the USC game, Nebraska honestly can't win this game. USC has superior players & coaching. I'm not knocking NU's players but USC is simply the better team. Just squeaking out a 20-17 win against Wake doesn't provide much hope. Granted they were the defending ACC champs but the ACC isn't what it used to be before they split all the teams up.

Callahan will get out-coached again by Pete Carroll. Callahan is too much of a politician than a coach. I honestly have no idea why Callahan has been embraced by the athletic staff at the University. It makes me wonder why we get rid of a coach that had won roughly 9 games a year and give a coach a 5 year deal that gave us the worst season in forever???

Our quarterback is too inexperienced to lead us against J.D.B. & his receiving core. Last year we had a legitimate chance to beat them on their field, but I doubt they'll overlook us like they did.

I'll be interested to see how badly Bill gets outcoached. It's just sad that a team that's been known for such success is run by him. But no matter who coaches them, I still bleed Husker crimson!!!

GO BIG RED!! (how original of me huh?)

Who seriously liked Frank Solich...because he won 9 games his last season? Actually 1) He won 8 because Bo Pelini coached the huskers in their bowl game 2) the year before that he wen .500 3) embarrased myself and all other husker fans in 2001 with crushing losses to Col and Miami.

I couldn't stand him. He sucked at recruiting. There's no way he can do well coaching in a major conferance. He does ok at Ohio, although they got beat yesterday against a pretty crappy Minnesota team. His teams couldn't handle the speed of major teams.

Is Callahan perfect....absolutely not. But he's upgraded the talent level on the team by like a million percent. The guy I wanted to be hired as the coach after Solich was Bo Pelini. I knew he would be a great coach...and look at him now. Defensive Coordinator for LSU..and they ain't too shabby.

Solich sucked and he needed to go. The Option was dead...at least the traditional Option formation that Nebraska ran.

SudDawg

fish_finder · 09-10-2007, 09:27 AM

If NU's receivers show up and decided to catch the ball the game will be closer. NU has the secondary to match up with USC this year and if the DL gets any pressure on Booty it could get interesting. NU is 2-0 now and will be very very ready for USC.

vonny571 · 09-10-2007, 10:10 AM

Steve - I totally agree on point 1. Drives me nuts every week. Seriously, you're going to school for free because you can play football, but you can't learn to tackle?? As far as the option being dead when Solich was fired, I agree, but not because the scheme can't still work today. Solich and his staff didn't understand how to use formations and and motion to create mismatches the way Osborne did. I firmly believe Osborne's option, with the right athletes in place, would continue to dominate indefinitely if executed properly.

Vonny

**RedefiningFate** · 09-10-2007, 10:37 AM

Solich also didn't have the recruiting that Osborne and Callahan had/have. Solich was recruiting guys that were way to small to play division 1 ball. Solich being a small guy himself playing back in the day thought it was an ok option, but it wasn't. Ultimately I think his recruitment ties dwindled and thus so did his coaching ability.

J.T.

GenericAngler · 09-10-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RedefiningFate

Solich also didn't have the recruiting that Osborne and Callahan had/have. Solich was recruiting guys that were way to small to play division 1 ball. Solich being a small guy himself playing back in the day thought it was an ok option, but it wasn't. Ultimately I think his recruitment ties dwindled and thus so did his coaching ability.

J.T.

Yeah That! I am not a huge Huskers fan; although after 10 years in Nebrasky they are growing on me....not enough to buy a cob head and paint myself red every weekend, but I do find myself jumping off the couch and pumping my fist in the air more often then not on more Saturdays every year when they are on TV.

I noticed as a casual observer when TO left, that even though Solich was able to do fairly decent with TO's recruits....that the talent was getting thinner and thinner each year under the Solich reign -- and by the end, it was really starting to show. After 4 years under the new guy -- it is very obvious that recruiting (and JC transfers) are back to where they need to be......Now that being said, recruiting and fielding a team that "should" win in the Big 12 does not say a lot about how good a coach is on the field....but one of the sad realities of college football without a playoff system in place is that in order to have a chance in the BCS....you have to WIN, WIN, WIN....every game of the season*. (* Unless you are Notre Dame and get a free pass)

LundLover · 09-10-2007, 11:31 AM

I am just glad that Steve Pederson didn't allow the Huskers to "slip into mediocrity" as he stated at the time of Solich's firing.

Yup. Sure am glad that didn't happen. That would have been a catastrophy.

No mediocrity here....

suddawg · 09-10-2007, 11:09 PM

Maybe if it wasn't so hard to please it's fanbase with constant BCS championship caliber teams year after year, a tremendous coach would come to Lincoln.

You think a lot of coaches wanted to come to Lincoln after the predecessor went 8-3 (9-3 if you count the bowl game he didn't coach in.)

I will agree with formations, motions, and *SPEED*, the option can be devastating still. Solich sucked at recruiting hands down. Believe me, patience can only go so long...but Callahan I think will get a big win this year.

SudDawg

09-08-2007, 05:33 PM	#25 (permalink)
Alex T. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: under the lids of a laydown blind Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 62 Times in 35 Posts	Yeah,but people will still spend $300(or more) to watch it in person. Alex __________________ Listening to an e-caller daily to help pass the time until they come back

09-09-2007, 03:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
LundLover Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 32 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Nerd, I agree with your points but disagree with your conclusion. You can't say that Nebraska "can't win" against USC. Appalachan State proved that anything can happen. But Nebraska has to play a near perfect game (how often does that happen) and USC has to play poorly (Again, how often does that happen) So it CAN happen. And we have to pray for a miracle. But you are right, it sure seems HIGHLY unlikely. __________________ I myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions. - Augusten Burroughs

09-10-2007, 11:31 AM	#36 (permalink)
LundLover Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 32 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	I am just glad that Steve Pederson didn't allow the Huskers to "slip into mediocrity" as he stated at the time of Solich's firing. Yup. Sure am glad that didn't happen. That would have been a catastrophy. No mediocrity here.... __________________ I myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions. - Augusten Burroughs

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09-04-2007, 11:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
suddawg Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bellevue (Offutt AFB,) originally Auburn Posts: 249 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Win or lose...I think the USC game is going to be far better this year. But first they got to get through Wake Forest, so we'll see. SudDawg

09-08-2007, 05:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
RedefiningFate Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Millard Posts: 4,334 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	They play like they did today against USC and it is going to be embarrassing to watch...

09-09-2007, 02:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
Fishingnerd33 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chadron, NE Posts: 981 Thanks: 92 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Regarding the USC game, Nebraska honestly can't win this game. USC has superior players & coaching. I'm not knocking NU's players but USC is simply the better team. Just squeaking out a 20-17 win against Wake doesn't provide much hope. Granted they were the defending ACC champs but the ACC isn't what it used to be before they split all the teams up. Callahan will get out-coached again by Pete Carroll. Callahan is too much of a politician than a coach. I honestly have no idea why Callahan has been embraced by the athletic staff at the University. It makes me wonder why we get rid of a coach that had won roughly 9 games a year and give a coach a 5 year deal that gave us the worst season in forever??? Our quarterback is too inexperienced to lead us against J.D.B. & his receiving core. Last year we had a legitimate chance to beat them on their field, but I doubt they'll overlook us like they did. I'll be interested to see how badly Bill gets outcoached. It's just sad that a team that's been known for such success is run by him. But no matter who coaches them, I still bleed Husker crimson!!! GO BIG RED!! (how original of me huh?)

09-09-2007, 03:37 PM	#29 (permalink)
Fishingnerd33 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chadron, NE Posts: 981 Thanks: 92 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Lund, True, I shouldn't have said can't. The Appalachan State game should give every underdog hope, no matter the opponent. You're right, possible, but very unlikely. GO NU!

09-09-2007, 04:46 PM	#30 (permalink)
Catfishsteve Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Plattsmouth, NE Posts: 6,841 Thanks: 21 Thanked 113 Times in 35 Posts	*It makes me wonder why we get rid of a coach that had won roughly 9 games a year * Maybe because he never won a road game against a ranked team? *USC has superior players & coaching. That we held to 28 points on the road last year with our very poor defensive secondary. Our quarterback is too inexperienced to lead us against J.D.B. & his receiving core.** Keller has led a team to a bowl victory. This is college ball. What more do you want? I don't think Joe Montana has any eligibility left. IMO, the Wake Forest victory is the most quality win for NU since Coach Osborne left the program, all things considered. Put that with the complete spanking of Nevada the week before and I'd say our chances against USC are at approaching 50-50. USC is not as good as they were last year. I'd say NU is much improved and we've got them at home. NU has huge problems that I see, granted. But I don't think those problems have anything to do with the offensive scheme or who the quarterback is or even what team is standing on the other sideline. IMO, the two big things that will kill Nebraska this week, if they get killed, are the same two things that have killed them more than any other every week since Coach Osborne retired. #1) The failure of the first linebacker or defensive back to meet the ball carrier to EVER stop the forward progress of the opposing ball carrier or drop them to the ground. Yards after first contact kill this team. They tackle like they are always waiting for someone else to come up and finish off the ball carrier. How many times do we nail a running back in the hole or at the line (or in the backfield) and he still gets 5-6 yds? Too many arm tackles and defenders trying to hit guys while they are on their knees. This is a bad habit and mindset that has been rampant on the "blackshirts" since the Solich days. #2) Particularly on offense, "starters" don't get benched after repeated stupid mental mistakes; fumbles, thrown interceptions, dropped passes. These guys are division 1, scholarship players. If they can't learn how to play team football and protect the football, they need to have a seat. Again, a huge mindset problem hanging on since the Solich days. There have been way too many mistakes, even lately, that could be cured by an afternoon of running stadium stairs instead of acting like a NFL wanna-be's all the time. I would play waterboys and cheereleaders at this point before Purify and a couple others ever even dressed for a game again. (Mike Brown just picked off Phil Rivers in the Chicago game. Nice!! )

09-10-2007, 09:27 AM	#32 (permalink)
fish_finder Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lincoln Posts: 647 Thanks: 10 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	If NU's receivers show up and decided to catch the ball the game will be closer. NU has the secondary to match up with USC this year and if the DL gets any pressure on Booty it could get interesting. NU is 2-0 now and will be very very ready for USC.

09-10-2007, 10:10 AM	#33 (permalink)
vonny571 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Junction City, KS Posts: 701 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Steve - I totally agree on point 1. Drives me nuts every week. Seriously, you're going to school for free because you can play football, but you can't learn to tackle?? As far as the option being dead when Solich was fired, I agree, but not because the scheme can't still work today. Solich and his staff didn't understand how to use formations and and motion to create mismatches the way Osborne did. I firmly believe Osborne's option, with the right athletes in place, would continue to dominate indefinitely if executed properly. Vonny

09-10-2007, 10:37 AM	#34 (permalink)
RedefiningFate Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Millard Posts: 4,334 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Solich also didn't have the recruiting that Osborne and Callahan had/have. Solich was recruiting guys that were way to small to play division 1 ball. Solich being a small guy himself playing back in the day thought it was an ok option, but it wasn't. Ultimately I think his recruitment ties dwindled and thus so did his coaching ability. J.T.

09-10-2007, 11:09 PM	#37 (permalink)
suddawg Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bellevue (Offutt AFB,) originally Auburn Posts: 249 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe if it wasn't so hard to please it's fanbase with constant BCS championship caliber teams year after year, a tremendous coach would come to Lincoln. You think a lot of coaches wanted to come to Lincoln after the predecessor went 8-3 (9-3 if you count the bowl game he didn't coach in.) I will agree with formations, motions, and SPEED, the option can be devastating still. Solich sucked at recruiting hands down. Believe me, patience can only go so long...but Callahan I think will get a big win this year. SudDawg