Opinion Needed Muzzleloader......

Alex T. · 11-17-2009, 11:07 AM

Any opinions good/bad about this setup?? Looking at the basic one with fiber optic sights.

CVA Optima 209 Rifles A reliable inline muzzleloader with the long-popular Optima 209 Magnum break-action frame and barrel. Standard features include a 209 ignition that's completely protected from the elements, a 26" magnum-capable barrel and DuraSight® all-metal encased fiber-optic sights. The stock has an ambidextrous cheekpiece, deep pistol grip and ventilated recoil pad. Comes with a Quake™ Claw® Sling. Available with a thumbhole stock (nickel finish and Realtree Hardwoods Green HD® camo version only). You can also choose a money-saving package that includes a Cabela's Powderhorn 3-10x40 scope with a ballistic reticle and Cabela's integrated bases and rings and/or a Starter Kit that includes 8 oz. of Cabela's Black Powder Solvent, 8 oz. cleaning basket for nipples and other small parts, .50-caliber sabots with 240-gr. bullets, nylon tubular powder flask,short starter, brass powder measurer and a straight in-line capper. Synthetic ramrod.

Alex

Chasin 'eyes · 11-17-2009, 11:31 AM

Have not heard one way or another on this one. I have a Thompson Center Omega in Stainless and love it easy to clean and was right on straight out of the box.

Which ever you buy, buy the Triple Seven Magnum powder pellets, much easier on cleaning compared to Pyrodex.

Christmas present for Brandon or you?

Alex T. · 11-17-2009, 11:57 AM

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Christmas present for Brandon or you?

probably birthday present for Brandon. He wants to deer hunt and I sold my muzzleloader and deer rifle last year. I can't justify getting another rifle cause of the way overcrowded(IMO) 9 day deer season and the fact you can use a muzzleloader during rifle season(if he chose to hunt then) anyway.

Alex

**Slimdog** · 11-17-2009, 12:25 PM

Alex, I have never hunted with the Optima but sold quite a few when I worked for Dub’s here in Kearney. There is not really much to these guns. As stated above they are very easy to clean especially if using the Triple 7 pellets. The only problems I recall seeing were usually related to lack of cleaning after use. Use breech plug lube after cleaning, that will save a headache or two. The only other complaint I recall was about the sights. The fiber optic fibers (both front & rear) become extremely brittle in the cold and really easy to break. At the time (2-3 years ago) there were no replacement fibers available, so the only option was to by the replacement sight kit for $30 or so. Hope this helps.

Slim

**Ty S** · 11-17-2009, 01:13 PM

My freinds all have them and im jealous. Id love to trade my Thomsen Black Diamond for one!

Get it!

Buy the nickel barrel and he will pass that gun onto his kids.

Evenflow · 11-17-2009, 02:01 PM

I found a Knight Revolution II on closeout at Scheels several months ago and that was a smoking deal literally! So maybe you might find a good close out gun someplace. I mounted the Cabela's Powderhorn scope on it and it is dead on at 200 yards and for $100 the scope is a heck of a deal, very comparable to the Nikon Omega, except a lot cheaper! Like others have said get the triple seven pellets, you only need two 50 grain pellets (you can use 3 pellets, but most of the third pellet does not even burn up so you are wasting powder), the best sabot to get is the Hornady low drag sabots...I was shooting 1 inch groups at a 100 yards with these things, stay away from powerbelts...yes they load easy, but they do not group well.

Cabela's -- Hornady Low Drag Sabots

DiggerDog · 11-17-2009, 02:16 PM

What slimdog says about the sights is true. A guy I hunt with has the Nickel version and loves it now that powered scopes are legal. His issue with the sights began on his first day of hunting when both sights broke off.

thumpper · 11-17-2009, 03:16 PM

I've got a CVA Optima Pro which is a very similiar gun. I've had it for 4years now and use open sites. I have really liked the gun for simplicity along with the price too. It is a bit heavy but I like how it 'pulled up' when I would get on target.

It's shot a lot of deer and I don't have any regrets with buying it. Nowadays since POWERED scopes are allowed I think I've thought about going with an omega with a nikon scope.

Like what was said before you HAVE to clean it after you use it!

Edited: btw if your in omaha and wanted to give it a try drop me a PM

RuffWater · 11-17-2009, 07:48 PM

Just my 2 cents, if you can get a TC for about the same money or a few extra bucks it's money well spent... I've always liked CVA but this writeup was enough to turn me off them...

Dangerous Muzzleloaders

T/C Barrels are made in USA and the best there are in my humble opinion...

fish_hedd · 11-18-2009, 08:31 PM

i've owned a couple different CVA muzzleloaders (i currently own their entry-level break action, the Wolf -- the Optima's "little brother"), and have been very happy with them.

smokeybear z · 11-19-2009, 11:46 AM

I have a bolt action style mzl. now and an trying to sell it to get a break open type. Easier to access the primer with a gloved hand, IMO.

11-17-2009, 11:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
Alex T. Alex T. is kinda diggin' the brown stained waders Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: under the doors of a laydown blind Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 5,277 Thanks: 0 Thanked 598 Times in 396 Posts	Muzzleloader...... Any opinions good/bad about this setup?? Looking at the basic one with fiber optic sights. CVA Optima 209 Rifles A reliable inline muzzleloader with the long-popular Optima 209 Magnum break-action frame and barrel. Standard features include a 209 ignition that's completely protected from the elements, a 26" magnum-capable barrel and DuraSight® all-metal encased fiber-optic sights. The stock has an ambidextrous cheekpiece, deep pistol grip and ventilated recoil pad. Comes with a Quake™ Claw® Sling. Available with a thumbhole stock (nickel finish and Realtree Hardwoods Green HD® camo version only). You can also choose a money-saving package that includes a Cabela's Powderhorn 3-10x40 scope with a ballistic reticle and Cabela's integrated bases and rings and/or a Starter Kit that includes 8 oz. of Cabela's Black Powder Solvent, 8 oz. cleaning basket for nipples and other small parts, .50-caliber sabots with 240-gr. bullets, nylon tubular powder flask,short starter, brass powder measurer and a straight in-line capper. Synthetic ramrod. Alex

11-17-2009, 11:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chasin 'eyes Chasin 'eyes is wanting to get the buck that was on my trail cam Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cortland Posts: 540 Thanks: 61 Thanked 93 Times in 59 Posts	Have not heard one way or another on this one. I have a Thompson Center Omega in Stainless and love it easy to clean and was right on straight out of the box. Which ever you buy, buy the Triple Seven Magnum powder pellets, much easier on cleaning compared to Pyrodex. Christmas present for Brandon or you? __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us & wants us to be Happy" Benjamin Franklin

11-17-2009, 01:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ty S Ty S is sunburnt, bloody, and beat! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 6,117 Thanks: 508 Thanked 399 Times in 266 Posts	My freinds all have them and im jealous. Id love to trade my Thomsen Black Diamond for one! Get it! Buy the nickel barrel and he will pass that gun onto his kids. __________________ Ducks Unlimited Waterfowlers Party , Norfolk, NE April 24 100s of decoys, 11 guns, beer, food, and good times included in the $25 ticket price. Contact me for details! Not just for duck hunters. Lots of different prizes.

11-17-2009, 02:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
DiggerDog DiggerDog is Looking forward to skiing with my family and friends Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: At home, in the field, in a blind, in a boat, at our cabin, on a plane, or in a hotel room Posts: 1,435 Thanks: 71 Thanked 197 Times in 146 Posts	What slimdog says about the sights is true. A guy I hunt with has the Nickel version and loves it now that powered scopes are legal. His issue with the sights began on his first day of hunting when both sights broke off. __________________ "When you have shot one bird flying you have shot all birds flying. They are all different and they fly in different ways but the sensation is the same and the last one is as good as the first." - Ernest Hemingway

11-18-2009, 08:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
fish_hedd fish_hedd is ready for open water. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 158 Thanks: 189 Thanked 45 Times in 26 Posts	i've owned a couple different CVA muzzleloaders (i currently own their entry-level break action, the Wolf -- the Optima's "little brother"), and have been very happy with them. __________________ <°)))>< <°)))>< <°)))>< <°)))>< Get out into God's country.....you'll find Him there. 2010 Counter: haven't been out "Must we always teach our children with books? Let them look at the mountains and the stars up above. Let them look at the beauty of the waters and the trees and flowers on earth." -- David Polis

11-17-2009, 12:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Slimdog Slimdog is already suffering from withdrawls... 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kearney Certified Youth Fishing Instructor NEFGA Line Recycling Volunteer Posts: 715 Thanks: 415 Thanked 310 Times in 172 Posts	Alex, I have never hunted with the Optima but sold quite a few when I worked for Dub’s here in Kearney. There is not really much to these guns. As stated above they are very easy to clean especially if using the Triple 7 pellets. The only problems I recall seeing were usually related to lack of cleaning after use. Use breech plug lube after cleaning, that will save a headache or two. The only other complaint I recall was about the sights. The fiber optic fibers (both front & rear) become extremely brittle in the cold and really easy to break. At the time (2-3 years ago) there were no replacement fibers available, so the only option was to by the replacement sight kit for $30 or so. Hope this helps. Slim

11-17-2009, 02:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Evenflow Evenflow is Wishing I was not at work Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Omaha Posts: 596 Thanks: 86 Thanked 171 Times in 85 Posts	I found a Knight Revolution II on closeout at Scheels several months ago and that was a smoking deal literally! So maybe you might find a good close out gun someplace. I mounted the Cabela's Powderhorn scope on it and it is dead on at 200 yards and for $100 the scope is a heck of a deal, very comparable to the Nikon Omega, except a lot cheaper! Like others have said get the triple seven pellets, you only need two 50 grain pellets (you can use 3 pellets, but most of the third pellet does not even burn up so you are wasting powder), the best sabot to get is the Hornady low drag sabots...I was shooting 1 inch groups at a 100 yards with these things, stay away from powerbelts...yes they load easy, but they do not group well. Cabela's -- Hornady Low Drag Sabots

11-17-2009, 03:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
thumpper thumpper has no status. Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 372 Thanks: 4 Thanked 47 Times in 38 Posts	I've got a CVA Optima Pro which is a very similiar gun. I've had it for 4years now and use open sites. I have really liked the gun for simplicity along with the price too. It is a bit heavy but I like how it 'pulled up' when I would get on target. It's shot a lot of deer and I don't have any regrets with buying it. Nowadays since POWERED scopes are allowed I think I've thought about going with an omega with a nikon scope. Like what was said before you HAVE to clean it after you use it! Edited: btw if your in omaha and wanted to give it a try drop me a PM

11-17-2009, 07:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
RuffWater RuffWater is wanting some Duck and Deer action. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 113 Thanks: 20 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Just my 2 cents, if you can get a TC for about the same money or a few extra bucks it's money well spent... I've always liked CVA but this writeup was enough to turn me off them... Dangerous Muzzleloaders T/C Barrels are made in USA and the best there are in my humble opinion...

11-19-2009, 11:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
smokeybear z smokeybear z is protecting the cat's tail from my 2 year old son's teeth. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Norfolk Posts: 302 Thanks: 68 Thanked 39 Times in 23 Posts	I have a bolt action style mzl. now and an trying to sell it to get a break open type. Easier to access the primer with a gloved hand, IMO. __________________ "Lord, suffer me a buck so large that even I, in talking of it afterward, have no need to lie."

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