Releasing a Dog from a Trap - Page 2

grainmaker181 · 11-15-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty

I will second about experiencing what South said about running into snares that the landowner didn't know about that were set along road ditches in the right of way.

snares around the ditch have been my problem, pretty easy to set snares along the road without getting permission of the landowner, in and out really fast

tomich · 11-17-2009, 06:37 PM

I noticed this thread the other day and said to my ignorant self, I won't open that, in all the years of hunting I have never had an encounter with a trap.

That all changed today. We were hunting upland on a small piece of ground that one of our hunting party's family owns. The owner does not hunt or trap. As we were walking, one of the three of our group got hung up in a snare trap. He says there are traps in here, lets get out of here, bad news for the dogs. No sooner did he say that, I noticed my yellow lab hung up in something, I knew right away. I ran over to him just in time for him to fall to the ground and his mouth and tongue turn blue. I yell for some help, within the one minute or so it took to get the snare loose, my dog has fallen unconcious and stopped breathing. With some quick instincts he made a funnel with his hands a forced air into his airway(mouth to mouth?), quite possibly saving his life. None of our hunting party was familiar with this type of trap, but if he hadn't just been hung up himself, we would have lost him.

I understand why people trap, I am not against it whatsoever. However, I believe there should be laws about warnings signs or something. Not that it would have mattered in this case, trespassers obviously don't give 2 shiz about the laws anyway.

However, I am going to side with Grainmaker on this one, I will cut a trap every day of the week if thats what it takes to save a dogs life. Send me the fricken bill, I don't care. The minute I got home, I put a pair of sidecutters in my hunting vest, never to be left behind.

(This thread should be a sticky)

grainmaker181 · 11-17-2009, 07:04 PM

very thankful your day didnt end tragically, good thing you guys thought and acted quickly

akareddog · 11-17-2009, 07:52 PM

I lost a dog worth over $5,000. Because a lazy trapper wanted to use a bucket set for a $5 coon. I really don't mine a leg trap, my dog will make a lot of noise and I can release the dog with a little bit of a limp.

I know at least three guys who have lost coon dogs to snares. The new twist is to place them on a high bank with a sharp down off. So it will hang the dog. Most dogs will not fight hard enough to choke them to dead in a regular snare set.

tomich · 11-17-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by akareddog

Most dogs will not fight hard enough to choke them to dead in a regular snare set.

Unless they weigh about 80lbs and hit it at full speed. I know what a dying dog looks like, did a little work at the humane society as a youngster and have lost a few dogs in my day. Thank god he was not hanging off a high bank.

TMFLDEM · 11-18-2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomich

However, I am going to side with Grainmaker on this one, I will cut a trap every day of the week if thats what it takes to save a dogs life. Send me the fricken bill, I don't care. The minute I got home, I put a pair of sidecutters in my hunting vest, never to be left behind.

(This thread should be a sticky)

I will agree, a 5$ snare is worth much less than a dogs life.. But you dont need sidecutters. A snarelock can be backed off much much easier than the cable can be cut, believe me.

Now that you know that there is a possibility of your dog being caught in a trap , maybe the intelligent thing to do is to become educated about traps and how to operate certain kinds so you can release your animal..

People that hunt in regions with venomous snakes train their dogs so that the dog knows how to react when it comes in contact with a snake.. Maybe people should spend some time training their dogs to react in a controlled manner when they encounter a snare. Like reddog said.. MOST dogs will be fine if caught in a standard snare set. Most dogs have spent enough time on a lead, that when something tightens down around the neck they know to cool it.

shb · 11-18-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomich

I noticed this thread the other day and said to my ignorant self, I won't open that, in all the years of hunting I have never had an encounter with a trap.

That all changed today. We were hunting upland on a small piece of ground that one of our hunting party's family owns. The owner does not hunt or trap. As we were walking, one of the three of our group got hung up in a snare trap. He says there are traps in here, lets get out of here, bad news for the dogs. No sooner did he say that, I noticed my yellow lab hung up in something, I knew right away. I ran over to him just in time for him to fall to the ground and his mouth and tongue turn blue. I yell for some help, within the one minute or so it took to get the snare loose, my dog has fallen unconcious and stopped breathing. With some quick instincts he made a funnel with his hands a forced air into his airway(mouth to mouth?), quite possibly saving his life. None of our hunting party was familiar with this type of trap, but if he hadn't just been hung up himself, we would have lost him.

I understand why people trap, I am not against it whatsoever. However, I believe there should be laws about warnings signs or something. Not that it would have mattered in this case, trespassers obviously don't give 2 shiz about the laws anyway.

However, I am going to side with Grainmaker on this one, I will cut a trap every day of the week if thats what it takes to save a dogs life. Send me the fricken bill, I don't care. The minute I got home, I put a pair of sidecutters in my hunting vest, never to be left behind.

(This thread should be a sticky)

If you have an honest to goodness trespasser please contact your C.O. and turn him/her in. The snares, or traps should be have an ID Tag on them with a state ID number or Drivers license number.

If its is deliberate trespassing please press charges, and hang them high.

These are the ignorami that ruin it for everyone. They aren't trappers, they are criminals. Total $@*# ups!

luvsitall · 11-19-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TMFLDEM

Maybe people should spend some time training their dogs to react in a controlled manner when they encounter a snare. Like reddog said.. MOST dogs will be fine if caught in a standard snare set. Most dogs have spent enough time on a lead, that when something tightens down around the neck they know to cool it.

Ok rufus today I'm going to put you in a snare trap and ALMOST KILL you so we can train you in a controlled manner!!!!! you have to be kidding me! this is the dumbest thing I ever heard. SNARE TRAPS PLACED ILLEAGALY ARE BS. POACHERS AND TRESPASSERS SHOULD BE SHOT ON SITE. I happen to know Tomich and his lab Logan, the father of Stoli, my pocket lab. This is no joke or game. We spend 1000's of dollars on dogs and the love we put into the dogs makes them like sibblings. Mini bolt cutters now in vest, I hope I never have to use them, but I will in a second!

TMFLDEM · 11-20-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by luvsitall

Ok rufus today I'm going to put you in a snare trap and ALMOST KILL you so we can train you in a controlled manner!!!!! you have to be kidding me! this is the dumbest thing I ever heard. SNARE TRAPS PLACED ILLEAGALY ARE BS. POACHERS AND TRESPASSERS SHOULD BE SHOT ON SITE. I happen to know Tomich and his lab Logan, the father of Stoli, my pocket lab. This is no joke or game. We spend 1000's of dollars on dogs and the love we put into the dogs makes them like sibblings. Mini bolt cutters now in vest, I hope I never have to use them, but I will in a second!

lol i didnt say to put your dog in a snare and choke him down, there are other ways to train. Its called training in a "controlled situation". You control all variables so there isnt any danger whatsoever! People do it all the time with rattlesnakes, cottonmouths and foothold traps! Why if someone is so paranoid about snares, coulnt he train for an encounter with them?

And I agree that anything done illegally (not just trapping) is total BS!

akareddog · 11-20-2009, 11:34 AM

I've been coonhunting all over the country for the last 30 years. I have never heard of anyone training there dogs on snakes...are you kidding me?

Generally speaking a snake will not kill a dog...it may swell up and get really sick, but thats about it. I've only seen one dog ever get bit by a snake.

But, I've seen alot bucket sets using dog or cat food use as bait.

**Catfishsteve** · 11-20-2009, 11:53 AM

Yeah, bird doggers snake proof their dogs all the time using live rattlesnakes. If you go to just about any of the big, national AKC birg dog trials, there will usually be someone there, at least for a few days, offering to snake-proof birds dogs for a price. It involves a live, de-fanged rattler and catch loop, a pair of snake tongs and a shock collar. I've heard of bird dogs getting nailed by rattlers and usually they don't die from it. Sometimes, there's not ill effects at all, but once in a while, you hear of a dog getting nailed in the throat or inside the mouth and it can be lights out in that case.

It's well spent money to have this done, for these guys, anyway, as the dogs they hunt with come with a price tag bigger than about the last 6 cars I've owned!!

that's great article.

I had to chuckle though, the illustrations they used for the conibear portion of that article are mine, from my old website!! I made those in ClarisWorks for a similar article that I wrote about 12 years ago. So funny to see someone cobbed them.. they are so bad!! heck he probably cobbed them a long time ago as well, he may have even asked my permission at some point, so I'm not getting all worked up or anything it's not that. I just hadn't seen those things in forever. I gave a lot of permission for folks to use a lot of my stuff and I'm glad to see these bad old images are getting used and getting the word out.

Did you know that if you dog gets bit by a opposum that there's a good chance the dog will then suffer from narcolepsy for a time after that? It's true. A buddy of mine had a good dog bit one time and after that, for nearly a year, the dog slept almost all the time. Very bizarre. He was an old timer though and it didnt' surprise him at all. He'd seen it before.

In most states, those bigger Conibears have to be set underwater anyway. But that doesn't mean someday this info might not come in handy, but yeah, if it's a Conibear of much size, you'll be gettiing your dog out just to bury it.

TMFLDEM · 11-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akareddog

I've been coonhunting all over the country for the last 30 years. I have never heard of anyone training there dogs on snakes...are you kidding me?

Generally speaking a snake will not kill a dog...it may swell up and get really sick, but thats about it. I've only seen one dog ever get bit by a snake.

But, I've seen alot bucket sets using dog or cat food use as bait.

No joke, people train for things like this all the time. Most people have NO idea that this goes on, but some retreiver clubs (even local) do snake proofing seminars where you can sign up and snake proof your dog.. The same type of training could be and is used for bucket sets and dirthole sets!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfishsteve

Yeah, bird doggers snake proof their dogs all the time using live rattlesnakes. If you go to just about any of the big, national AKC birg dog trials, there will usually be someone there, at least for a few days, offering to snake-proof birds dogs for a price. It involves a live, de-fanged rattler and catch loop, a pair of snake tongs and a shock collar. I've heard of bird dogs getting nailed by rattlers and usually they don't die from it. Sometimes, there's not ill effects at all, but once in a while, you hear of a dog getting nailed in the throat or inside the mouth and it can be lights out in that case.

thanks steve!

grainmaker181 · 11-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvsitall

Ok rufus today I'm going to put you in a snare trap and ALMOST KILL you so we can train you in a controlled manner!!!!! you have to be kidding me!

ha ha, and our next lesson will be how to react in the event of a terrorist act.

speaking completely honestly here, when i find illegally set traps/snares on my property i will destroy them, i dont consider it vandalism when its set without permission, i know i could call a CO and press charges but with the real prize of a county attorney that I have i doubt anything would ever happen, i would just rather handle it myself

luvsitall · 11-22-2009, 04:51 PM

bottom line, everyone be safe and have a good season. the best hunting is coming soon. btw Rufus survived our controlled training. lol

TMFLDEM · 11-22-2009, 07:35 PM

Thats good to hear.

jabNE · 11-23-2009, 05:48 AM

Amen, safety and respect for all. Thank you all for your useful posts and comments, also. From my perspective this was very helpful. I reread my initial comments and I apologize if I sounded off a little emotional on this. I really try my best to avoid bad situations always, its never worth it. Life is too short and there is just too much fun out there for everyone to enjoy and that has to be respected at all times. I know that where I trap is specifically not where most hunting typically occurs, and that is by my own choice and by my trapline design. Yes, I pass up a lot of "prime" ground but I prefer it that way. I only target flat-picked bean fields, sparse and thinly covered fencerows with long stretches between other cover areas, the edges between picked flat bean fields and other picked fields, and I love low-grazed pastures with little cover remaining. I have had great luck by targeting areas not so interesting to birds or other hunting but still receiving a lot of predator furbearer traffic. All of my locations are also very private and I work very closely with all my landowners. Maybe it has limited my catch over the years, but I've never had other problems or encounters and that is always worth it to everyone.
I wish I could say same for other trappers, but based on the comments sounds like a lot of inconsiderate placement of sets caused others a lot of grief and that is truly unfortunate for everyone.
Thanks again, everyone. Happy hunting!
Jim

11-17-2009, 06:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
tomich tomich is dreaming of a big "rack" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rural Douglas County Posts: 402 Thanks: 28 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts	This thread may save your dog! I noticed this thread the other day and said to my ignorant self, I won't open that, in all the years of hunting I have never had an encounter with a trap. That all changed today. We were hunting upland on a small piece of ground that one of our hunting party's family owns. The owner does not hunt or trap. As we were walking, one of the three of our group got hung up in a snare trap. He says there are traps in here, lets get out of here, bad news for the dogs. No sooner did he say that, I noticed my yellow lab hung up in something, I knew right away. I ran over to him just in time for him to fall to the ground and his mouth and tongue turn blue. I yell for some help, within the one minute or so it took to get the snare loose, my dog has fallen unconcious and stopped breathing. With some quick instincts he made a funnel with his hands a forced air into his airway(mouth to mouth?), quite possibly saving his life. None of our hunting party was familiar with this type of trap, but if he hadn't just been hung up himself, we would have lost him. I understand why people trap, I am not against it whatsoever. However, I believe there should be laws about warnings signs or something. Not that it would have mattered in this case, trespassers obviously don't give 2 shiz about the laws anyway. However, I am going to side with Grainmaker on this one, I will cut a trap every day of the week if thats what it takes to save a dogs life. Send me the fricken bill, I don't care. The minute I got home, I put a pair of sidecutters in my hunting vest, never to be left behind. (This thread should be a sticky)

11-20-2009, 11:53 AM	#31 (permalink)
Catfishsteve Catfishsteve is slippin' and slidin' ! Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Plattsmouth, NE Certified Youth Fishing Instructor NEFGA Line Recycling Volunteer Posts: 7,964 Thanks: 244 Thanked 635 Times in 201 Posts	Getting your dog out of traps and snake training Yeah, bird doggers snake proof their dogs all the time using live rattlesnakes. If you go to just about any of the big, national AKC birg dog trials, there will usually be someone there, at least for a few days, offering to snake-proof birds dogs for a price. It involves a live, de-fanged rattler and catch loop, a pair of snake tongs and a shock collar. I've heard of bird dogs getting nailed by rattlers and usually they don't die from it. Sometimes, there's not ill effects at all, but once in a while, you hear of a dog getting nailed in the throat or inside the mouth and it can be lights out in that case. It's well spent money to have this done, for these guys, anyway, as the dogs they hunt with come with a price tag bigger than about the last 6 cars I've owned!! that's great article. I had to chuckle though, the illustrations they used for the conibear portion of that article are mine, from my old website!! I made those in ClarisWorks for a similar article that I wrote about 12 years ago. So funny to see someone cobbed them.. they are so bad!! heck he probably cobbed them a long time ago as well, he may have even asked my permission at some point, so I'm not getting all worked up or anything it's not that. I just hadn't seen those things in forever. I gave a lot of permission for folks to use a lot of my stuff and I'm glad to see these bad old images are getting used and getting the word out. Did you know that if you dog gets bit by a opposum that there's a good chance the dog will then suffer from narcolepsy for a time after that? It's true. A buddy of mine had a good dog bit one time and after that, for nearly a year, the dog slept almost all the time. Very bizarre. He was an old timer though and it didnt' surprise him at all. He'd seen it before. In most states, those bigger Conibears have to be set underwater anyway. But that doesn't mean someday this info might not come in handy, but yeah, if it's a Conibear of much size, you'll be gettiing your dog out just to bury it.

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11-17-2009, 07:04 PM	#23 (permalink)
grainmaker181 grainmaker181 has no status. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Saronville Posts: 102 Thanks: 11 Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts	very thankful your day didnt end tragically, good thing you guys thought and acted quickly

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akareddog akareddog has no status. Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 102 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I lost a dog worth over $5,000. Because a lazy trapper wanted to use a bucket set for a $5 coon. I really don't mine a leg trap, my dog will make a lot of noise and I can release the dog with a little bit of a limp. I know at least three guys who have lost coon dogs to snares. The new twist is to place them on a high bank with a sharp down off. So it will hang the dog. Most dogs will not fight hard enough to choke them to dead in a regular snare set.

11-20-2009, 11:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
akareddog akareddog has no status. Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 102 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I've been coonhunting all over the country for the last 30 years. I have never heard of anyone training there dogs on snakes...are you kidding me? Generally speaking a snake will not kill a dog...it may swell up and get really sick, but thats about it. I've only seen one dog ever get bit by a snake. But, I've seen alot bucket sets using dog or cat food use as bait.

11-22-2009, 04:51 PM	#34 (permalink)
luvsitall luvsitall is sitting in the basins for 3 weeks listening togrrr Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: county with NO ducks Posts: 446 Thanks: 281 Thanked 90 Times in 77 Posts	bottom line, everyone be safe and have a good season. the best hunting is coming soon. btw Rufus survived our controlled training. lol

11-23-2009, 05:48 AM	#36 (permalink)
jabNE jabNE is climbing that corporate ladder at the hairclub for men Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hickman, NE Posts: 329 Thanks: 2 Thanked 184 Times in 72 Posts	Amen, safety and respect for all. Thank you all for your useful posts and comments, also. From my perspective this was very helpful. I reread my initial comments and I apologize if I sounded off a little emotional on this. I really try my best to avoid bad situations always, its never worth it. Life is too short and there is just too much fun out there for everyone to enjoy and that has to be respected at all times. I know that where I trap is specifically not where most hunting typically occurs, and that is by my own choice and by my trapline design. Yes, I pass up a lot of "prime" ground but I prefer it that way. I only target flat-picked bean fields, sparse and thinly covered fencerows with long stretches between other cover areas, the edges between picked flat bean fields and other picked fields, and I love low-grazed pastures with little cover remaining. I have had great luck by targeting areas not so interesting to birds or other hunting but still receiving a lot of predator furbearer traffic. All of my locations are also very private and I work very closely with all my landowners. Maybe it has limited my catch over the years, but I've never had other problems or encounters and that is always worth it to everyone. I wish I could say same for other trappers, but based on the comments sounds like a lot of inconsiderate placement of sets caused others a lot of grief and that is truly unfortunate for everyone. Thanks again, everyone. Happy hunting! Jim