Help with New Shotgun. . .

husk4lif · 11-08-2009, 07:24 PM

New to the forum and thought I would ask for some advice from everyone. I am looking to get a new shotgun and have a few choices that I am looking at. Below are my options:

*Remington 11-87 supermag with mossy oak w/rubber grips for $600
*Remington 11-87 sportsman black synthetic w/rubber grips for $500
*Stoeger 2000 camo inch for $500
*Mossberg 935 Turkey/Waterfowl Combo for $500
*Remington SPR 453 Camo for $400

I have been looking at these for quite sometime now and am trying to decide which is the best deal. I really like the feel of the Stoeger as its light and fits my shoulder must better than the 11-87. I have read good and thing about each gun mentioned and it seems like luck of the draw as to whether or not you get a good one. I will be using this for upland game and waterfowl.

Please let me know any experiences/opinions you have.

Thanks!

Eryk · 11-08-2009, 07:51 PM

"Fit" is extremely important. Using a gun that "fits" you is like wearing shoes that fit. They are both comfortable and can feel like part of you. If you aren't comfortable shooting you will be focused on your gun and not your quarry.

TMFLDEM · 11-08-2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husk4lif

*Remington 11-87 supermag with mossy oak w/rubber grips for $600
*Remington 11-87 sportsman black synthetic w/rubber grips for $500
*Stoeger 2000 camo inch for $500
*Mossberg 935 Turkey/Waterfowl Combo for $500
*Remington SPR 453 Camo for $400

Cannot go wrong with any of the top 3 choices. I have never and will never be a supporter of mossbergs. I know a couple guys that went for the SPR and with they never would have.

The stoeger will kick ALOT more than the remingtons, but will cycle ANYTHING you put in it. The supermags will not cycle light target loads but are a great waterfowl gun. The sportsman would be my all around choice. Followed close by the Stoeger, but if waterfowling is the only use, the supermag would be a great choice!!

Hope this helps

grainmaker181 · 11-08-2009, 08:06 PM

stoeger hands down, inertia system

rbandsasha · 11-08-2009, 08:22 PM

My brother in law and a co-worker both have the Stoegers and they both love them. Very reliable but linited to 2 3/4" and 3" shells. Easy disassemble and to clean.

I have a Mossberg 935 and really like it. In fact I probably shoot better with it than with my Benelli SBE. It did take a little work to get it loosened up at first. I suggest doing a search for "lapping the rails" I think is what it was called. This took care of any potential hang-ups and jams that you may hear about with this gun. IMPORTANT NOTE: This gun is not intended to shoot 2 3/4" shells. It is designed AND marketed to be for 3" and 3 1/2" shells. Shooting the short shells will probably lead to jams or incomplete ejections. All in all, the Mossberg patterns great, is reliable and works well for me.

I agree with the others fit is most important.

vonny571 · 11-09-2009, 08:13 AM

If you're dead set on a brand new gun, I'd go with one of the Remingtons. Very solid design and good reputation overall, but as was mentioned above, fit is everything. For a little bit of money, you can have the fit of a gun adjusted to some extent, but if you find one that fits you well unaltered, that would obviously be preferred. That said, for the same money you're thinking about spending you can get quite a bit more gun by buying used. I know some are very anxious about buying used guns, but if you are thorough when checking them out and patient in looking for the right gun, some great deals can be had.

**Ty S** · 11-09-2009, 09:32 AM

Guiding ive seen all those shotguns mess up. Personally id stay away from all of them. Especially the Stoegers. Ive seen those have the thing you pull back on the action fly off about 5 times now. One time it hit a guy in the face making him bleed.

Buy a good pump and forget about worrying if your gun will work.

Chasin 'eyes · 11-09-2009, 10:45 AM

The Remingtons would be your best choice for a auto, you may want to think about a 870 pump as well if your worried about jamming up.

I have had a Remington 1100 Magnum for close to 28 years now and besides replacing a rubber oring($3), I have never had a problem. It has had several thousand rounds shot through it, dropped in the Platte river and a couple of marshes, jammed with mud and sand and it still shoots like it did when I got it. I have numerous other guns but by far this one has performed the best, and I shoot with it the best. It seems they just don't make things like they used to - make them more "disposable" so you will have to buy a new one instead of handing it down to your kids. Drives me crazy.

jimbosan · 11-09-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Stromquist

Guiding ive seen all those shotguns mess up. Personally id stay away from all of them. Especially the Stoegers. Ive seen those have the thing you pull back on the action fly off about 5 times now. One time it hit a guy in the face making him bleed.

Buy a good pump and forget about worrying if your gun will work.

I agree!

h20fowl_ne · 11-09-2009, 12:01 PM

Where did you find a Remington 11-87 supermag for $600 Sounds like a very good price to me!

husk4lif · 11-09-2009, 12:26 PM

I'm thinking about going with the 1187 sportsman as I have 3 870's already. I am also looking to get rid of my 870 supermag to help pay for the new gun if anyone is interested.

Thanks for all the responses! Much appreciated

H20, The gun is currently on sale at Dicks Sporting Goods. Hope this
helps!

A few weeks ago they had the SBE II on sale for $1,300, but I couldn't quite spend that much as I won't get a lot of use out of it until I move back to Nebraska.

FINAL COST $599.98 On Sale Now!

ONLY AT DICK'S SPORTING GOODS 12 GA., 26" BARREL USES 2 3/4"-3 1/2" SHELLS OVERMOLD FOREARM STOCK $699.98 SALE PRICE - $50.00 MAIL-IN REBATE - $50.00 DICK’S MAIL-IN REBATE = $599.98 FINAL COST
Reg. $899.99
SAVE $300 AFTER REBATES

columbus_area · 11-09-2009, 12:26 PM

I'm with Ty. Get yourself a pump and forget the worries. 11-87's are hit and miss from my experience. Have seen some good ones, and some not so good ones. Stogers are alright, but still have some worries about cycling and such.

husk4lif · 11-09-2009, 12:50 PM

Whats the best pump to look at then if I were to get one?

Thanks

Alex T. · 11-09-2009, 01:13 PM

If you have 3 870s and 1 is a supermag,I wouldn't even look at pumps;just keep them. The only thing a Benelli Nova may give ya is a better "weatherproof" gun but as far as dependability there isn't much difference between an 870 or Nova.All other pumps are far below their quality IMO.

Alex

Waterfowler84 · 11-09-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Stromquist

Buy a good pump and forget about worrying if your gun will work.

I agree 100% with Ty here. I have told myselfs since I started hunting the soonest I will own a semi auto is when I am too old and weak

to pump the action. I personally only own browning firearms and will only own browning. The quality of the gun, and the mechanics on them are hands down the best on the market IMO. Check out the browning BPS series before you make your decision.

TMFLDEM · 11-09-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Stromquist

Ive seen those have the thing you pull back on the action

The bolt handle?

I have 3 of the guns listed and have NEVER, not one time had a problem with em. ANY gun will jam, i have seen just as many people short shuck a pump as i have seen a waterfowl load jam in an auto loader. One thing to remember is that the stoegers have threads at the very end of the barrel which make it very easy to "booger" up the threads when switching tubes.

A gas operated auto is gonnna kick much less than a pump or an inetia gun.

MURF · 11-09-2009, 08:20 PM

You might give a look at the Rem Spartan 453. Can shoot 2 3/4 with a simple adjustment. Otherwise 3 inch and 3 1/2 inch. If you can get it in camo for $400 I'd snap it up. I got one a couple years ago in synethic for just under $500. It is Russian made and until Remington started selling them under their label, it was sold as Baikal. Bulit like a tank and reminds of the AK 47 for reliability. You can google the Baikal. I especially like for a gun in a pit blind. I also have the 935, I like the Remington better.

jblake · 11-09-2009, 10:54 PM

Have you looked at the Mossberg 835. I love mine and when shooting 3.5 inch shells I really do think the oversized barrel helps.

Waterfowler84 · 11-10-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblake

I really do think the oversized barrel helps.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean longer than average barrel...I do not understand "oversized" barrel?

Chasin 'eyes · 11-10-2009, 04:15 PM

1187 have a $50 rebate going on right now.

11-08-2009, 07:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
husk4lif husk4lif has no status. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Help with New Shotgun. . . New to the forum and thought I would ask for some advice from everyone. I am looking to get a new shotgun and have a few choices that I am looking at. Below are my options: Remington 11-87 supermag with mossy oak w/rubber grips for $600 Remington 11-87 sportsman black synthetic w/rubber grips for $500 Stoeger 2000 camo inch for $500 Mossberg 935 Turkey/Waterfowl Combo for $500 *Remington SPR 453 Camo for $400 I have been looking at these for quite sometime now and am trying to decide which is the best deal. I really like the feel of the Stoeger as its light and fits my shoulder must better than the 11-87. I have read good and thing about each gun mentioned and it seems like luck of the draw as to whether or not you get a good one. I will be using this for upland game and waterfowl. Please let me know any experiences/opinions you have. Thanks!

11-09-2009, 09:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ty S Ty S is sunburnt, bloody, and beat! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 6,117 Thanks: 508 Thanked 399 Times in 266 Posts	Guiding ive seen all those shotguns mess up. Personally id stay away from all of them. Especially the Stoegers. Ive seen those have the thing you pull back on the action fly off about 5 times now. One time it hit a guy in the face making him bleed. Buy a good pump and forget about worrying if your gun will work. __________________ Ducks Unlimited Waterfowlers Party , Norfolk, NE April 24 100s of decoys, 11 guns, beer, food, and good times included in the $25 ticket price. Contact me for details! Not just for duck hunters. Lots of different prizes.

11-09-2009, 10:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Chasin 'eyes Chasin 'eyes is wanting to get the buck that was on my trail cam Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cortland Posts: 540 Thanks: 61 Thanked 94 Times in 59 Posts	The Remingtons would be your best choice for a auto, you may want to think about a 870 pump as well if your worried about jamming up. I have had a Remington 1100 Magnum for close to 28 years now and besides replacing a rubber oring($3), I have never had a problem. It has had several thousand rounds shot through it, dropped in the Platte river and a couple of marshes, jammed with mud and sand and it still shoots like it did when I got it. I have numerous other guns but by far this one has performed the best, and I shoot with it the best. It seems they just don't make things like they used to - make them more "disposable" so you will have to buy a new one instead of handing it down to your kids. Drives me crazy. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us & wants us to be Happy" Benjamin Franklin

11-09-2009, 12:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
h20fowl_ne h20fowl_ne is ready to shoot some ducks this weekend. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: McCook, NE 69001 Posts: 63 Thanks: 7 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	Remington 11-87 supermag Where did you find a Remington 11-87 supermag for $600 Sounds like a very good price to me!

11-09-2009, 12:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
columbus_area columbus_area has no status. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 71 Thanks: 13 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Guns I'm with Ty. Get yourself a pump and forget the worries. 11-87's are hit and miss from my experience. Have seen some good ones, and some not so good ones. Stogers are alright, but still have some worries about cycling and such.

11-08-2009, 07:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Eryk Eryk has no status. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Omaha Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 155 Thanks: 25 Thanked 43 Times in 32 Posts	"Fit" is extremely important. Using a gun that "fits" you is like wearing shoes that fit. They are both comfortable and can feel like part of you. If you aren't comfortable shooting you will be focused on your gun and not your quarry.

11-08-2009, 08:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
grainmaker181 grainmaker181 has no status. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Saronville Posts: 102 Thanks: 11 Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts	stoeger hands down, inertia system

11-08-2009, 08:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
rbandsasha rbandsasha has no status. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	My brother in law and a co-worker both have the Stoegers and they both love them. Very reliable but linited to 2 3/4" and 3" shells. Easy disassemble and to clean. I have a Mossberg 935 and really like it. In fact I probably shoot better with it than with my Benelli SBE. It did take a little work to get it loosened up at first. I suggest doing a search for "lapping the rails" I think is what it was called. This took care of any potential hang-ups and jams that you may hear about with this gun. IMPORTANT NOTE: This gun is not intended to shoot 2 3/4" shells. It is designed AND marketed to be for 3" and 3 1/2" shells. Shooting the short shells will probably lead to jams or incomplete ejections. All in all, the Mossberg patterns great, is reliable and works well for me. I agree with the others fit is most important.

11-09-2009, 08:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
vonny571 vonny571 has no status. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Junction City, KS Posts: 855 Thanks: 69 Thanked 59 Times in 33 Posts	If you're dead set on a brand new gun, I'd go with one of the Remingtons. Very solid design and good reputation overall, but as was mentioned above, fit is everything. For a little bit of money, you can have the fit of a gun adjusted to some extent, but if you find one that fits you well unaltered, that would obviously be preferred. That said, for the same money you're thinking about spending you can get quite a bit more gun by buying used. I know some are very anxious about buying used guns, but if you are thorough when checking them out and patient in looking for the right gun, some great deals can be had.

11-09-2009, 12:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
husk4lif husk4lif has no status. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I'm thinking about going with the 1187 sportsman as I have 3 870's already. I am also looking to get rid of my 870 supermag to help pay for the new gun if anyone is interested. Thanks for all the responses! Much appreciated H20, The gun is currently on sale at Dicks Sporting Goods. Hope this helps! A few weeks ago they had the SBE II on sale for $1,300, but I couldn't quite spend that much as I won't get a lot of use out of it until I move back to Nebraska. FINAL COST $599.98 On Sale Now! ONLY AT DICK'S SPORTING GOODS 12 GA., 26" BARREL USES 2 3/4"-3 1/2" SHELLS OVERMOLD FOREARM STOCK $699.98 SALE PRICE - $50.00 MAIL-IN REBATE - $50.00 DICK’S MAIL-IN REBATE = $599.98 FINAL COST Reg. $899.99 SAVE $300 AFTER REBATES

11-09-2009, 12:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
husk4lif husk4lif has no status. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Whats the best pump to look at then if I were to get one? Thanks

11-09-2009, 01:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Alex T. Alex T. is kinda diggin' the brown stained waders Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: under the doors of a laydown blind Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 5,277 Thanks: 0 Thanked 598 Times in 396 Posts	If you have 3 870s and 1 is a supermag,I wouldn't even look at pumps;just keep them. The only thing a Benelli Nova may give ya is a better "weatherproof" gun but as far as dependability there isn't much difference between an 870 or Nova.All other pumps are far below their quality IMO. Alex

11-09-2009, 08:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
MURF MURF is Lock and Load Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Papillion Posts: 290 Thanks: 5 Thanked 38 Times in 28 Posts	You might give a look at the Rem Spartan 453. Can shoot 2 3/4 with a simple adjustment. Otherwise 3 inch and 3 1/2 inch. If you can get it in camo for $400 I'd snap it up. I got one a couple years ago in synethic for just under $500. It is Russian made and until Remington started selling them under their label, it was sold as Baikal. Bulit like a tank and reminds of the AK 47 for reliability. You can google the Baikal. I especially like for a gun in a pit blind. I also have the 935, I like the Remington better. __________________ Four blessings upon you... Older whiskey Younger women Faster horses More money

11-09-2009, 10:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
jblake jblake has no status. Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Have you looked at the Mossberg 835. I love mine and when shooting 3.5 inch shells I really do think the oversized barrel helps.

11-10-2009, 04:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Chasin 'eyes Chasin 'eyes is wanting to get the buck that was on my trail cam Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cortland Posts: 540 Thanks: 61 Thanked 94 Times in 59 Posts	1187 have a $50 rebate going on right now. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us & wants us to be Happy" Benjamin Franklin

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