Thoughts, Predictions and Actions?

friggidy · 11-23-2008, 10:07 AM

So with Obama being our new president and promising change...What do you all feel about his forth-coming actions on gun control and bans?

I was just reading a new article stating that he is trying to get taxes raised to 500 percent on ammunition... along with manditory registrations and self-defense firearms being more difficult to purchase or possess.

I know that it would be very difficult for him to totally reconstruct the 2nd ammendment but he's going to make it extremely difficult for us outdoorsmen.

What do you think will happen?

obert · 11-23-2008, 10:19 AM

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What do you think will happen?

It's not going to be good.

lunkerman · 11-23-2008, 10:26 AM

the people who follow the laws will be the ones that are punished. isn't it great

Alex T. · 11-23-2008, 10:43 AM

Quote:

I was just reading a new article stating that he is trying to get taxes raised to 500 percent on ammunition... along with manditory registrations and self-defense firearms being more difficult to purchase or possess

except the ammo part,I see none of that affecting outdoorsman.

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but he's going to make it extremely difficult for us outdoorsmen.

How's that?

Alex

OldBaldGuy · 11-23-2008, 10:48 AM

What is your source for all this inside information?

**Chad** · 11-23-2008, 11:27 AM

Sportsmen issues.

Alex T. · 11-23-2008, 12:03 PM

I see nothing in that link Chad posted that is gonna make being an outdoorsman more difficult. Someone isn't being truthful and that'll be the toughest thing to figure out;who's being honest and who isn't.

Alex

jimbosan · 11-23-2008, 12:11 PM

Obama says that even though he doesn't hunt or fish outdoors-man have nothing to worry about with regards to gun control and conservation issues. I believe him he doesn't seem like he is a liar, time will tell.

Hookem · 11-23-2008, 12:30 PM

I think for the so called "average" hunter, like most of us, things will be okay. Yea, I believe we might see some increase in ammo manipulation, cost etc. I do see a push to restrict or make it more difficult to purchase assault type weapons that really aren't for hunting activities; whether that be good or bad, I think it will happen and those in power may or may not have a good reason for doing so. Depends on our personal thoughts and beliefs I guess. I also see a change tightening the laws on handgun control; not necessarily banning them but tightening of laws. May be even a bigger emphasis in this category.

I have a close friend who absolutely believes most of our gun rights will be taken away. Personally I don't agree with that and have a good idea where that philosophy may be coming from. Again, a matter of personal beliefs what we want to think, how much we are influenced by everything we read, who is disseminating the info, etc.

Whatever, will be worth watching closely and if need to speak up, then we should at the right time based on facts, not assumptions.

fish4bass · 11-23-2008, 12:49 PM

It will be interesting and i'm sure it won't be good. And as someone before stated all it's going to do is make it worse for the people that are using guns for the right reasons. Us hunters will be affected and the criminals are still going to get their guns no matter what.

brian40 · 11-23-2008, 01:20 PM

My thoughts (hopes) are we won't have to worry about this in the near future because:

1) If the chosen one focuses his efforts on gun control rather than this huge mess of an economy/jobs, he will lose a ton of support.

2) Even Clinton said gun control got most of the dems booted out of office and the chosen one will do everything possible to be a second term President. The second term (if it comes) will be very scary as a gun nut.

If I am wrong I hope you all like hunting with bows and single shot slug shotguns. And don't blame me because I didn't vote for him!

tc_topshot · 11-23-2008, 01:23 PM

I think some people over react over the whole situation. While I wasn't an Obama fan at election and still am not, I have a stong feeling that he will not tare our outdoor worlds apart. Remember, laws have to be passed through congress. Obama is more worried about the economy and how to end the recession than he is about trying to increase gun control and take away your fishing poles.

Personally, Im more worried about the situation in the middle east, and what is going to happen if our forces pull out too soon. What kind of cutbacks will the Military make?

A decrease in size or less money for Units to use new technology? My opinion is that if we don't do the job right over there, then that will just invite them to bring the conflict to our country.

Im not worried about Obama taking our guns away, people just say that because he is a democrat and are under the false impression that democrats always want to ban weapons. Im way more worried about my job in the Army Guard, but I am going to do whatever he wants because he is going to be the Commander and Chief and thats my duty. . If I saw a non bias video of him claiming he was going to do away with guns and hunting rights, then I would change my mind. Thats my personal feelings on this issue

muliehunter · 11-23-2008, 01:52 PM

I'm not as worried about the president as I am the Democratic controlled Senate and House. JMHO

Big Dawgg · 11-23-2008, 02:31 PM

Here is a link to Obama and gun control.
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Look down the page to the semi-auto part. He supports ban on all forms of semi-automatic weapons. Like others have said I think he has a lot more to focus on right now and this is down the list aways. Still something to be concerned about however.

NETim · 11-23-2008, 06:10 PM

Yeah, it's OK, they can ban them bad black semi-autos 'cause my Winchesters and Remingtons are safe. Who cares?

Funny thing though at the range today, a guy was shooting one of those bad black rifles and making several tiny holes in the target. My 1100 punched great big gaping holes in the paper.

And then, he shot at the metal gong at 200 yards and when he hit it, it went "dink dink." When I hit it with my 270 it went "kerwhang" and moved a little. When I hit it with my 338, it went "KERWHANG!!!" and flopped up over the hanging rail.

Gosh, how long will it be before my 338 is declared a WMD? Or my 1100 is a weapon of too much lethality that no sportsman needs? And the 270? Jeez if there ever was a "long range precision sniper rifle", there it is boys.

There is no such thing as "good" gun in Obama's mind, regardless of what he says. All gun control does is invite more gun control.

We must stand together or we'll hang separately.

Patrick Olson · 11-23-2008, 06:16 PM

“Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.”

Seems like a fair question to me.

PO

Scott Eveland · 11-23-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by friggidy

I was just reading a new article stating that he is trying to get taxes raised to 500 percent on ammunition... along with manditory registrations and self-defense firearms being more difficult to purchase or possess.

I don't want to be a poop, but... Can you link to this article? I've heard this "500% tax" thing out of many people's mouths, but have yet to have seen anything in print (or electronic media) where Obama has stated that this is part of his agenda.

It may be out there, I just haven't seen it yet.

I see more of a return to the Clinton-era gun control, much of which was passed in a Republican-controlled congress.

tjm · 11-23-2008, 09:09 PM

I'm not overly concerned at this point. Unless there is a major domestic incident that prompts a knee jerk reaction from the goverment...there are currently much bigger issues to deal with. The main issue is going to be the economy. If that ever gets figured out then they will move to healthcare.

NETim · 11-23-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Eveland

I don't want to be a poop, but... Can you link to this article? I've heard this "500% tax" thing out of many people's mouths, but have yet to have seen anything in print (or electronic media) where Obama has stated that this is part of his agenda.

It may be out there, I just haven't seen it yet.

I see more of a return to the Clinton-era gun control, much of which was passed in a Republican-controlled congress.

Bzzztt!!! Slick and Co passed two major gun control bills.

Original "Assault weapons ban" passed by Congress on Sept 13, 1994 and signed into law by Pres Clinton the same day.

The "Brady Bill" was signed into law on Nov 30, 1993 and went into effect on February 28, 1994.

The GOP did not gain control of the Congress until the midterm elections in Nov of 1994.

The Dem's gun control measures were cited by Pres Clinton as one of the reasons the Dems lost control of Congress in '94.

A GOP controlled Congress did allow the AWB to expire in Sept of 2004 however.

Obama regularly supported gun control measures as an IL state Senator. Don't know about the increased tax on ammo sales but I hear it mentioned often. Who knows?

It would be change, wouldn't it?

Obama's views:

Sportsmen for Obama? - Gun Control Quotes

slakline · 11-23-2008, 09:19 PM

molon labe !!!

11-23-2008, 10:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
friggidy Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Omaha, Ne Posts: 125 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Thoughts, Predictions and Actions? So with Obama being our new president and promising change...What do you all feel about his forth-coming actions on gun control and bans? I was just reading a new article stating that he is trying to get taxes raised to 500 percent on ammunition... along with manditory registrations and self-defense firearms being more difficult to purchase or possess. I know that it would be very difficult for him to totally reconstruct the 2nd ammendment but he's going to make it extremely difficult for us outdoorsmen. What do you think will happen?

11-23-2008, 10:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
OldBaldGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The paradise formerly known as Elkhorn Certified Youth Fishing Instructor NEFGA Line Recycling Volunteer Posts: 5,553 Thanks: 59 Thanked 153 Times in 81 Posts	What is your source for all this inside information? __________________ “I think every happy memory plucks a hair from your head; if you see an old bald guy, he’s probably had a great life.” –-Red Green

11-23-2008, 11:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chad Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gone Fishin' Posts: 6,473 Thanks: 60 Thanked 69 Times in 42 Posts	Sportsmen issues. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

11-23-2008, 12:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Alex T. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: under the lids of a laydown blind Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 62 Times in 35 Posts	I see nothing in that link Chad posted that is gonna make being an outdoorsman more difficult. Someone isn't being truthful and that'll be the toughest thing to figure out;who's being honest and who isn't. Alex __________________ Listening to an e-caller daily to help pass the time until they come back

11-23-2008, 12:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
jimbosan Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Blair, Nebraska Posts: 1,513 Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Obama says that even though he doesn't hunt or fish outdoors-man have nothing to worry about with regards to gun control and conservation issues. I believe him he doesn't seem like he is a liar, time will tell. __________________ GET EM CLOSE/happiness is a bloody arrow!

11-23-2008, 10:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
lunkerman Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Grand Island/Lincoln Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the people who follow the laws will be the ones that are punished. isn't it great

11-23-2008, 12:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hookem Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central ne Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 277 Thanks: 10 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	I think for the so called "average" hunter, like most of us, things will be okay. Yea, I believe we might see some increase in ammo manipulation, cost etc. I do see a push to restrict or make it more difficult to purchase assault type weapons that really aren't for hunting activities; whether that be good or bad, I think it will happen and those in power may or may not have a good reason for doing so. Depends on our personal thoughts and beliefs I guess. I also see a change tightening the laws on handgun control; not necessarily banning them but tightening of laws. May be even a bigger emphasis in this category. I have a close friend who absolutely believes most of our gun rights will be taken away. Personally I don't agree with that and have a good idea where that philosophy may be coming from. Again, a matter of personal beliefs what we want to think, how much we are influenced by everything we read, who is disseminating the info, etc. Whatever, will be worth watching closely and if need to speak up, then we should at the right time based on facts, not assumptions. __________________ Dreaming is my reality...fishing my passion A goal yet to be realized is to sit quietly at night in the Rockies listening to the wolves howl.........

11-23-2008, 12:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
fish4bass Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Holdrege/Kearney Posts: 98 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	It will be interesting and i'm sure it won't be good. And as someone before stated all it's going to do is make it worse for the people that are using guns for the right reasons. Us hunters will be affected and the criminals are still going to get their guns no matter what.

11-23-2008, 01:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
brian40 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kearney Posts: 423 Thanks: 19 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	My thoughts (hopes) are we won't have to worry about this in the near future because: 1) If the chosen one focuses his efforts on gun control rather than this huge mess of an economy/jobs, he will lose a ton of support. 2) Even Clinton said gun control got most of the dems booted out of office and the chosen one will do everything possible to be a second term President. The second term (if it comes) will be very scary as a gun nut. If I am wrong I hope you all like hunting with bows and single shot slug shotguns. And don't blame me because I didn't vote for him! __________________ Did I say that outloud??

11-23-2008, 01:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
tc_topshot Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Broken Bow/Lincoln Posts: 385 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I think some people over react over the whole situation. While I wasn't an Obama fan at election and still am not, I have a stong feeling that he will not tare our outdoor worlds apart. Remember, laws have to be passed through congress. Obama is more worried about the economy and how to end the recession than he is about trying to increase gun control and take away your fishing poles. Personally, Im more worried about the situation in the middle east, and what is going to happen if our forces pull out too soon. What kind of cutbacks will the Military make? A decrease in size or less money for Units to use new technology? My opinion is that if we don't do the job right over there, then that will just invite them to bring the conflict to our country. Im not worried about Obama taking our guns away, people just say that because he is a democrat and are under the false impression that democrats always want to ban weapons. Im way more worried about my job in the Army Guard, but I am going to do whatever he wants because he is going to be the Commander and Chief and thats my duty. . If I saw a non bias video of him claiming he was going to do away with guns and hunting rights, then I would change my mind. Thats my personal feelings on this issue __________________ Whackin' Woodies Waterfowl Crew "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid." - Murphy's Laws of Combat

11-23-2008, 01:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
muliehunter Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: DAVID CITY, NE. Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Obama I'm not as worried about the president as I am the Democratic controlled Senate and House. JMHO

11-23-2008, 02:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
Big Dawgg Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is a link to Obama and gun control. Barack Obama on Gun Control Look down the page to the semi-auto part. He supports ban on all forms of semi-automatic weapons. Like others have said I think he has a lot more to focus on right now and this is down the list aways. Still something to be concerned about however. __________________ No, I'm not a good shot, but I shoot often. Teddy Roosevelt

11-23-2008, 06:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
NETim Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Platte Center Posts: 229 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Yeah, it's OK, they can ban them bad black semi-autos 'cause my Winchesters and Remingtons are safe. Who cares? Funny thing though at the range today, a guy was shooting one of those bad black rifles and making several tiny holes in the target. My 1100 punched great big gaping holes in the paper. And then, he shot at the metal gong at 200 yards and when he hit it, it went "dink dink." When I hit it with my 270 it went "kerwhang" and moved a little. When I hit it with my 338, it went "KERWHANG!!!" and flopped up over the hanging rail. Gosh, how long will it be before my 338 is declared a WMD? Or my 1100 is a weapon of too much lethality that no sportsman needs? And the 270? Jeez if there ever was a "long range precision sniper rifle", there it is boys. There is no such thing as "good" gun in Obama's mind, regardless of what he says. All gun control does is invite more gun control. We must stand together or we'll hang separately.

11-23-2008, 06:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
Patrick Olson Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Omaha/Lincoln Posts: 338 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts	“Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.” Seems like a fair question to me. PO

11-23-2008, 09:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
tjm Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norfolk, NE Posts: 138 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	I'm not overly concerned at this point. Unless there is a major domestic incident that prompts a knee jerk reaction from the goverment...there are currently much bigger issues to deal with. The main issue is going to be the economy. If that ever gets figured out then they will move to healthcare.

11-23-2008, 09:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
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