Thoughts, Predictions and Actions?

[livnlrn]

I'm not overly concerned at this point. Unless there is a major domestic incident that prompts a knee jerk reaction from the goverment...there are currently much bigger issues to deal with.

Agree with you there. The economy is number one priority at this time. I just took another look at my IRA ... I feel for the people who had plans to retire in the near future.

[NETim]

Originally Posted by tjm

I'm not overly concerned at this point. Unless there is a major domestic incident that prompts a knee jerk reaction from the goverment...there are currently much bigger issues to deal with. The main issue is going to be the economy. If that ever gets figured out then they will move to healthcare.

There certainly are larger issues out there. However, I believe Senator Obama will not be able to deliver on many of his promises. For instance, troop reductions in Iraq. What did he promise before the election and what is he saying now?

Sometime during his term, we will probably have a mass murder committed by some whack job. To deflect attention away from his failure to deliver, he will propose new gun control measures and the Dem controlled Congress will lap it up.

He can make all the proposals he likes but the President's influence on the economy is limited at best.

Columbus had a gang related "drive by" shooting earlier this year. The weapon? A 12 gauge shotgun. The "new" assault weapon???

Be careful what you wish for.

[fishinwithdad]

Originally Posted by tc_topshot

Remember, laws have to be passed through congress.

I do not expect that will be the source of any long-term gun rights infringement. All it takes is a couple of different Supreme Court judges to "re-interpret" the existing ones. If I remember correctly, the court only voted 5-4 in favor of protecting 2nd Amendment rights this last summer in that DC Appeals court verdict about the guy suing over the DC handgun ban.

Two judicial nominations will do a lot of damage. That's all it takes.

Originally Posted by NETim

Sometime during his term, we will probably have a mass murder committed by some whack job. .

Wait for the next school shooting. Seems likes there's at least one every year.

[Alex T.]

Sometime during his term, we will probably have a mass murder committed by some whack job. .

Very true. But remember the gun isn't the problem. There will be huge ramifications if he messes with the 2nd amendment too much(if any) that outweighs him messing with it to begin with.

Alex

[Bass-Assassin]

They can take assault rifles away but they can't take em if you already own them... Plus most gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms. What good are laws gonna do to stop that? Nada! Fix the freaking economy first!

[Scott Eveland]

Originally Posted by NETim

Bzzztt!!! Slick and Co passed two major gun control bills.

Original "Assault weapons ban" passed by Congress on Sept 13, 1994 and signed into law by Pres Clinton the same day.

The "Brady Bill" was signed into law on Nov 30, 1993 and went into effect on February 28, 1994.

The GOP did not gain control of the Congress until the midterm elections in Nov of 1994.

Well, I guess I stand corrected. See what I get for listening to the guys at the NRA Banquet? I was told that it (assault weapons ban) was passed under a republican watch with Slick Willie signing it. I never looked it up as I didn't think pro-gun advocates would have it wrong. I'm gonna assume you're right without asking for a link to back you up, because I'm guessing you didn't pull those dates out of the air.

I'm not too worried yet, but we all need to be vigilant and keep a close eye on the congress and the incoming President. Seeing prices on guns go up since Nov. 4 indicates to me that people are very worried.

[NETim]

Originally Posted by Alex T.

Very true. But remember the gun isn't the problem. There will be huge ramifications if he messes with the 2nd amendment too much(if any) that outweighs him messing with it to begin with.

Alex

I think most of us here realize that the gun itself isn't the problem (at least I hope most of us do!)

As far as the ramifications if he messes with the 2A? He already knows that the majority of informed gun owners didn't vote for him (and probably never will) but he got elected anyway.

What's he got to lose? A new AWB within months of his inauguration for sure (a far reaching one) and I suspect he'll try for a licensing scheme of some kind.

And as you mentioned, the Supreme Court is where he'll do the most damage. Rest assured, he won't appoint anyone who understands the 2A. Hopefully Obama doesn't get to appoint too many to the Court otherwise, law abiding gun owners are screwed.

No guys, it won't be an overnight change. Just an increase in the incremental destruction of our 2A rights. There won't be a "ban on all guns" per se, just an ongoing, persistent effort to make gun ownership such a PITA that none but the very determined (and probably very rich) will legally own guns.

This will take generations to accomplish of course. Think about your kids and grandkids. What kind of country do you want for them????

Who is John Galt?

[NETim]

Originally Posted by Scott Eveland

Well, I guess I stand corrected. See what I get for listening to the guys at the NRA Banquet? I was told that it (assault weapons ban) was passed under a republican watch with Slick Willie signing it. I never looked it up as I didn't think pro-gun advocates would have it wrong. I'm gonna assume you're right without asking for a link to back you up, because I'm guessing you didn't pull those dates out of the air.

I'm not too worried yet, but we all need to be vigilant and keep a close eye on the congress and the incoming President. Seeing prices on guns go up since Nov. 4 indicates to me that people are very worried.

Wikipedia is the source for the dates.

[NETim]

Originally Posted by Bass-Assassin

They can take assault rifles away but they can't take em if you already own them... Plus most gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms. What good are laws gonna do to stop that? Nada! Fix the freaking economy first!

Tell Californians that. The fact that gun control is an exercise in futility and is simply "feel good" legislation has never stopped anti-gun politicians from enacting more gun control laws.

Of course, those of us who oppose more gun control are accused of being "unreasonable" or "lacking common sense."

Hey! Mr Politician! You want "common sense"? How about enforcing the laws already on the books? Is that too much to ask???????? How about no more plea bargaining away gun charges????????? Isn't that a "reasonable" request?

I'm not the problem.

[elkstalkr]

All I know is if you have any interest in owning a tatical weapon you better get it NOW! I have little doubt that is the first thing the Dems will target in regards to gun control.

I personally plan on putting a down payment on a Remington R25 today.

[Scott Eveland]

Originally Posted by NETim

Hey! Mr Politician! You want "common sense"? How about enforcing the laws already on the books? Is that too much to ask???????? How about no more plea bargaining away gun charges????????? Isn't that a "reasonable" request?

To borrow from Brad Stine:

Let's not ban guns, I know, let's ban...crime! "Well, I was gonna shoot that guy, but apparently its 'illegal' now. Guess I'm gonna have to turn to a life of labor."

He has a whole rountine of personal responsibility and the pointlessness of banning stuff.

You hit on my biggest pet peeve. How about we enforce the laws we have, rather than write new ones?

-Edit: I went and found a video of the Brad Stine routine and gave the exact quote. Funny how those things change in your mind if you haven't heard them for a while.

[Shorty]

The good news is that the "Heller" decision by the Supreme Court this last summer will have wide spread implications on any new proposed control legislation being put forth "because the 2nd Amendment recognizes that the right to bear arms includes a corollary right to self defense.”