Opinion Needed Organic?

thedarkarcher · 11-22-2008, 01:41 AM

I always take pride in saying I have an organic diet. This is largely due to the fact I don't buy meat at the grocery store, I eat mostly venison and fish. After some thought though I began wondering just how organic is deer meat? While they eat a lot of browse and are not injected with hormones, they also feed heavily on treated mast crops. So, what do you think? Should Nebraska deer meat be considered organic?

Sandbilly · 11-22-2008, 09:22 AM

Dark,

What is your definition of Organic?
Are you talking just exposed, or carcass residual residues?

dc

thedarkarcher · 11-22-2008, 09:31 AM

I would say residual residues.

bigquackattack · 11-22-2008, 11:04 AM

I think most deer in Nebraska would be quasi-organic. This is due to the fact they do eat treated crops. However, the amount of non-organics in their diet is equal or even more. I am certain there are some completely organic (by legal definition) deer in Nebraska, but would guess there is some particular in areas of the sandhills and panhandle that eat entirely a wild diet. I think the same could saidabout most game. Pheasants, ducks (mallards in particular), geese, rabbits, raccoons, etc. eat crops with chemicals used in production. Change the location and things could be different.

Alex T. · 11-22-2008, 06:45 PM

Are ya gonna stop eating it if it isn't??

Alex

mtgreenheads · 11-22-2008, 06:48 PM

Great post, it would be very hard for a game animal in the corn belt to gain the organix stamp. Its pretty tough.

I know that the sewage treatment ducks and geese I hunt are definitely not consider as such.

thedarkarcher · 11-22-2008, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex T.

Are ya gonna stop eating it if it isn't??

Alex

No, I'll just say I'm quasi-organic....it sounds more sophisticated anyway.

racksniper · 11-22-2008, 10:41 PM

Dark I would say deer are not organic, lol. I think they would be considered meat.

FatMatt · 11-23-2008, 10:50 AM

my family owns an organic ranch, and if your cattle or livestock eat anything that has be genetically modified or treated with chemicals so they are no longer organic. Surprisingly those things will show up in the meat more than you think. I try to stick to mule deer or whitetails that stay off of the corn fields. maybe it doesn't make a difference but it makes me feel good

thedarkarcher · 11-24-2008, 10:21 AM

Interesting....I'm guessing some deer even have higher amounts due to being in fields right after they have been treated...hmmm, there is a lot to consider. I'd say venison is still overall more healthy than beef or pork though. I'm wondering if there is some sort of research on this somewhere.

laughingwatr · 11-24-2008, 10:45 AM

They may be eating poorly but there are no hormones or the huge number of vacinations most livestock get.

thedarkarcher · 11-24-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by laughingwatr

They may be eating poorly but there are no hormones or the huge number of vacinations most livestock get.

Very true.

Sandbilly · 11-27-2008, 03:23 AM

Sorry, have to say something.

I am very disappointed.

Disappointed in the beef industry for allowing untruths to go unanswered.
Disappointed in consumers that don't believe beef grown in this state is safe.
Disappointed in Country Of Origin Labeling manipulated into something other than originated. COOL's possibilities are huge for both consumers and producers in the US, if left alone.

I am not disappointed in any beef animal leaving my premises for which human consumption is intended.

Despite popular belief, these animals are not shot full of holes with a vaccine gun, fed / injected hormones or lonophores. They are treated humanely and live the content domesticated life they were bred for, while providing a safe/affordable protein/nutrient source for humans.

Our family is conscious of what we eat as well, but there is always irony.

My father in-law was an organic farmer well before his day. No till, huge garden, beefalo cattle, lived the life. He died of cancer at age 54.

My grandfather smoked roll your own cigarettes, ate beef / pork and taters every day of his life. Had a heart attack at 83. May have lived much longer if not for getting high centered on a square bale while driving around looking at native range and wildlife, and then tried to push his car off the bale.

I believe genetics and stubbornness had much more to do with when they went to meet their maker than diet.

Back on topic.
IMO by adding preservatives, some casings, or smoking venison will increase the amount of potential carcinogens more so than what a deer absorbs in it's short life.

dc

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thedarkarcher Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 941 Thanks: 103 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	Organic? I always take pride in saying I have an organic diet. This is largely due to the fact I don't buy meat at the grocery store, I eat mostly venison and fish. After some thought though I began wondering just how organic is deer meat? While they eat a lot of browse and are not injected with hormones, they also feed heavily on treated mast crops. So, what do you think? Should Nebraska deer meat be considered organic?

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11-22-2008, 09:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sandbilly Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mullen Ne Posts: 391 Thanks: 29 Thanked 36 Times in 19 Posts	Dark, What is your definition of Organic? Are you talking just exposed, or carcass residual residues? dc

11-22-2008, 09:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
thedarkarcher Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 941 Thanks: 103 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	I would say residual residues.

11-22-2008, 11:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigquackattack Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Close to the creek Posts: 128 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	I think most deer in Nebraska would be quasi-organic. This is due to the fact they do eat treated crops. However, the amount of non-organics in their diet is equal or even more. I am certain there are some completely organic (by legal definition) deer in Nebraska, but would guess there is some particular in areas of the sandhills and panhandle that eat entirely a wild diet. I think the same could saidabout most game. Pheasants, ducks (mallards in particular), geese, rabbits, raccoons, etc. eat crops with chemicals used in production. Change the location and things could be different.

11-22-2008, 06:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
mtgreenheads Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great post, it would be very hard for a game animal in the corn belt to gain the organix stamp. Its pretty tough. I know that the sewage treatment ducks and geese I hunt are definitely not consider as such.

11-23-2008, 10:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
FatMatt Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Atkinson, NE Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	my family owns an organic ranch, and if your cattle or livestock eat anything that has be genetically modified or treated with chemicals so they are no longer organic. Surprisingly those things will show up in the meat more than you think. I try to stick to mule deer or whitetails that stay off of the corn fields. maybe it doesn't make a difference but it makes me feel good

11-24-2008, 10:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
thedarkarcher Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 941 Thanks: 103 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	Interesting....I'm guessing some deer even have higher amounts due to being in fields right after they have been treated...hmmm, there is a lot to consider. I'd say venison is still overall more healthy than beef or pork though. I'm wondering if there is some sort of research on this somewhere.

11-24-2008, 10:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
laughingwatr Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niobrara River Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	They may be eating poorly but there are no hormones or the huge number of vacinations most livestock get.

11-27-2008, 03:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sandbilly Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mullen Ne Posts: 391 Thanks: 29 Thanked 36 Times in 19 Posts	Sorry, have to say something. I am very disappointed. Disappointed in the beef industry for allowing untruths to go unanswered. Disappointed in consumers that don't believe beef grown in this state is safe. Disappointed in Country Of Origin Labeling manipulated into something other than originated. COOL's possibilities are huge for both consumers and producers in the US, if left alone. I am not disappointed in any beef animal leaving my premises for which human consumption is intended. Despite popular belief, these animals are not shot full of holes with a vaccine gun, fed / injected hormones or lonophores. They are treated humanely and live the content domesticated life they were bred for, while providing a safe/affordable protein/nutrient source for humans. Our family is conscious of what we eat as well, but there is always irony. My father in-law was an organic farmer well before his day. No till, huge garden, beefalo cattle, lived the life. He died of cancer at age 54. My grandfather smoked roll your own cigarettes, ate beef / pork and taters every day of his life. Had a heart attack at 83. May have lived much longer if not for getting high centered on a square bale while driving around looking at native range and wildlife, and then tried to push his car off the bale. I believe genetics and stubbornness had much more to do with when they went to meet their maker than diet. Back on topic. IMO by adding preservatives, some casings, or smoking venison will increase the amount of potential carcinogens more so than what a deer absorbs in it's short life. dc