Question Black Cloud and PatternMaster?

Waterfowler · 11-21-2008, 07:37 PM

Is it okay to shoot black cloud through a pattern master i have heard both sides to the story i heard it is bad and just messes up the choke and i also heard that black cloud patterns the best out of them. Any help would be great i am killing geese tomorrow!!

mtgreenheads · 11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

I personally do not shoot black cloud or patternmasters, but have heard it is not a good deal. The patternmaster is wad restricting choke, while the black cloud's hype is that the wad stays with the shot longer, so if conflicts. I did see that there is now a special "black cloud" patternmaster.

goose abuser · 11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

Wouldnt try it.

Patternmaster has made a choke designed for BC. Word on the street is, it puts the terrors to shame on paper.

boos1906 · 11-21-2008, 07:50 PM

I have heard that black cloud is nothing but junk

James Watson · 11-21-2008, 08:21 PM

I got a buddy that shoots it and swears by it. All of them shoot 3.5"s too and swear by those. I guess I have never really encountered a problem with shooting standard HV 3". Just a few extra bones i could spend elsewhere but thats just me.

Kenny Fischer · 11-21-2008, 09:03 PM

my reccomendation is to buy the BC patternmaster, bcz you will get the best pattern out of the new BC PM, or you can just save yourself a couple bucks like James has said in the previous post and shoot the HV.

CDILL · 11-25-2008, 11:47 AM

Definitely wouldn't advise shooting Black Cloud out of a pattermaster unless it is the patternmaster specificly made for Black Cloud. The word from Patternmaster is that once in awhile Black Cloud will blow out the choke or barrel because the choke is restricting it too much. The new choke that they came out with is supposed to take care of this problem when shooting Black Cloud.

**Ty Stromquist** · 11-25-2008, 12:05 PM

check their site. It says DO NOT shoot it thru a patternmaster.

About saying its junk I gotta say that Ive only shot about 3 boxes of it myself but other friends in the crew shoot it too and WOW is it crazy. If you ask me its all I will shoot at big canadas anymore. I used to go buy some hevi shot once in a while for late season but the price of this is a lot better.

I call them BLACK DEATH with their huge black casings in 3.5" #2

tc_topshot · 11-25-2008, 12:07 PM

I shoot a pattern master and love it. I have also heard bad stuff about black cloud and patternmasters. personally, i like shooting the HV 3'', it takes geese down easy enough.

**Ty Stromquist** · 11-25-2008, 06:21 PM

I shoot HV all the time too. Buy cases of the stuff but even though ive never patterned my gun or anyone elses with it I know it drops them dead and thats what I like. I can tell you thru a couple boxes I dont remember a crip with them. In fact snow goosing this spring me the boys were all shooting Black Death and we dropped like 15 out of one volley and there wasnt one crip. That was our first time really shooting them. Right then and there I was sold for life. Results dont lie.

thumpper · 11-25-2008, 09:59 PM

+1 for black cloud.. 95% of the stuff I'll shoot for big ducks and geese.

hav2hunt · 11-26-2008, 08:11 AM

I've shot alot of "Black Death" out of my hevi-shot choke and I have never had a problem and it patterns great!!

bassnbaseball · 11-26-2008, 01:43 PM

I don't like the Blackclouds. I had a buddy who was shooting them and the wad got stuck in the choke. Everything blew out the action but it was still pretty scary. I heard with the BC Patternmaster, that problem is completely eliminated though.

11-21-2008, 07:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Waterfowler Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Elkhorn Posts: 67 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Black Cloud and PatternMaster? Is it okay to shoot black cloud through a pattern master i have heard both sides to the story i heard it is bad and just messes up the choke and i also heard that black cloud patterns the best out of them. Any help would be great i am killing geese tomorrow!! __________________ aim small... miss small

11-21-2008, 07:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
goose abuser Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 511 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Wouldnt try it. Patternmaster has made a choke designed for BC. Word on the street is, it puts the terrors to shame on paper. __________________ My frilled dragon eats more than your frilled dragon...

11-25-2008, 12:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ty Stromquist Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: in a treestand Posts: 4,018 Thanks: 52 Thanked 25 Times in 20 Posts	check their site. It says DO NOT shoot it thru a patternmaster. About saying its junk I gotta say that Ive only shot about 3 boxes of it myself but other friends in the crew shoot it too and WOW is it crazy. If you ask me its all I will shoot at big canadas anymore. I used to go buy some hevi shot once in a while for late season but the price of this is a lot better. I call them BLACK DEATH with their huge black casings in 3.5" #2 __________________ "Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the wildlife you hunt and for the forest and fields you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person." - Fred Bear

11-25-2008, 12:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
tc_topshot Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Broken Bow/Lincoln Posts: 385 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I shoot a pattern master and love it. I have also heard bad stuff about black cloud and patternmasters. personally, i like shooting the HV 3'', it takes geese down easy enough. __________________ Whackin' Woodies Waterfowl Crew "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid." - Murphy's Laws of Combat

11-25-2008, 06:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ty Stromquist Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: in a treestand Posts: 4,018 Thanks: 52 Thanked 25 Times in 20 Posts	I shoot HV all the time too. Buy cases of the stuff but even though ive never patterned my gun or anyone elses with it I know it drops them dead and thats what I like. I can tell you thru a couple boxes I dont remember a crip with them. In fact snow goosing this spring me the boys were all shooting Black Death and we dropped like 15 out of one volley and there wasnt one crip. That was our first time really shooting them. Right then and there I was sold for life. Results dont lie. __________________ "Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the wildlife you hunt and for the forest and fields you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person." - Fred Bear

11-21-2008, 07:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
mtgreenheads Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I personally do not shoot black cloud or patternmasters, but have heard it is not a good deal. The patternmaster is wad restricting choke, while the black cloud's hype is that the wad stays with the shot longer, so if conflicts. I did see that there is now a special "black cloud" patternmaster.

11-21-2008, 07:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
boos1906 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have heard that black cloud is nothing but junk

11-21-2008, 08:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
James Watson Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NE Posts: 321 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I got a buddy that shoots it and swears by it. All of them shoot 3.5"s too and swear by those. I guess I have never really encountered a problem with shooting standard HV 3". Just a few extra bones i could spend elsewhere but thats just me.

11-21-2008, 09:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kenny Fischer Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: nebraksa Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	my reccomendation is to buy the BC patternmaster, bcz you will get the best pattern out of the new BC PM, or you can just save yourself a couple bucks like James has said in the previous post and shoot the HV.

11-25-2008, 11:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
CDILL Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Definitely wouldn't advise shooting Black Cloud out of a pattermaster unless it is the patternmaster specificly made for Black Cloud. The word from Patternmaster is that once in awhile Black Cloud will blow out the choke or barrel because the choke is restricting it too much. The new choke that they came out with is supposed to take care of this problem when shooting Black Cloud.

11-25-2008, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
thumpper Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 101 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	+1 for black cloud.. 95% of the stuff I'll shoot for big ducks and geese.

11-26-2008, 08:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
hav2hunt 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grand Island Posts: 125 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	I've shot alot of "Black Death" out of my hevi-shot choke and I have never had a problem and it patterns great!! __________________ I hunt, therefore I am.-Metallica

11-26-2008, 01:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
bassnbaseball 2008 Catch & Continue Champion (18 and Under) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Fremont Posts: 450 Thanks: 19 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I don't like the Blackclouds. I had a buddy who was shooting them and the wad got stuck in the choke. Everything blew out the action but it was still pretty scary. I heard with the BC Patternmaster, that problem is completely eliminated though.

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