Canned Hunting - Page 2

elkstalkr · 07-02-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro-Hunt

livestock killing being pushed off as hunting

Yea I can agree with that to some extent. It is more of a shoot/kill than a real hunt. Honestly I have no problem with that. If someone wants to go out and shoot an animal simply standing in a field thats fine with me. SO LONG AS IT IS UTILIZED!! In other words eaten.

Some guys just do it for the trophy, cuz they don't wanna earn the real deal, which is pathetic. I mean seriously, if you are just doing it for the head, go buy one Ebay!!! IMO, most guys don't soley do it for the trophy, sure they want a big set of antlers, but they enjoy eating that animal also.

Is there anything wrong with a guy paying to shoot "livestock" for food and keep the head for display? I don't think so.

obert · 07-02-2008, 02:05 PM

I'm going into the business. I'm going to sell Angus hunts. Guided or unguided. Trophy fees apply. Gauranteed kill. Great angus beef I gaurantee you'll see no less than 3 bulls a day.

Actually, all sarcasm aside wouldn't surprise me at all to see people paying to shoot a real Texas longhorn. I agree to an extent with you elkstalkr, but for cripes if a guy does it, don't compare it to the rest of us that do go out and hunt. It's not the same, 1 acre or 10K acres. I don't see a Troy Gentry hunt as good for us people who go out and buy a tag, hunt public or private ground w/free ranging animals, and are struggling to keep our hunting heritage alive. If there isn't enough proof that it affects others to have canned hunts that warrants a ban, at least separate it.

**Ty Stromquist** · 07-02-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by obert

How do you fence in 10,000 acres and have only animals you've purchased on there?

See what your talking about now. Down south its all about shooting a asian water buffalo or something else not native to Texas. More like being on a safari.

Personally I hate to see ANYTHING at all banned or laws made against it that involves hunting in any way.

obert · 07-02-2008, 04:10 PM

I asked that question too b/c I didn't know about the situation with the wild animals. For instance if I put up a fence right now on our ground, how does one do that? The animals existing are property of the people. I wasn't sure if they extirminated them, relocated or how that works.

bowhunterfishen · 07-02-2008, 07:45 PM

canned hunts are a disgrace to hunting and give all hunters a bad name! Not to mention they make us look like fat lazy hillbillies that are out there just to kill... they take away the entire purpose of hunting and give a bad image to all hunters. Who thought of this in the first place? Canned hunts for petes sake, why dont we just throw bass in my sons little swimming pool and go fishing!!!!! It trully is a pathetic excuse for a hunter and I really think those texas whitetails hunts look boring, doesnt even look like a sport. A bow and arrow and a trully wild animal is the way hunting should be no fences , no feaders, non of that crap.

bowhunterfishen · 07-02-2008, 07:57 PM

im with you man, its a disgrace to hunting and gives some fat guy who cant walk a chance to kill something and say hey man Im a real hunter . what a joke!!!!!

littleben · 07-02-2008, 08:04 PM

Is paying to hunt released Pheasants a canned hunt. What if they were released an hour before you hunt? What if it is a day? what if they were stocked a month ago or 3 months ago. What about fishing in a lake that has been stocked, maybe no fence, but they fish still can't get out?? If I could put up a fence around the property where I deer hunt, would it be as big of an advantage as just hunting over a food plot without a fence??If a property is 5 miles square and covered with trees and hills and gullys, but surrounded by a high fence and i fail to find the big buck because there are so many places for him to hide, does that make be a bad hunter, considering it is "canned". Again I think it is really easy to be critical, and somtimes harder to understand.

bowhunterfishen · 07-02-2008, 08:19 PM

canned hunts are pathedic, if you let a rooster go an hour before your hunt it that doesnt matter at all. those birds are so weak they cant even fly a block! Fishing in a lake is you cant even compare to canned hunts. all of these canned hunts guys use high powered rifles and shoot them on some ranch . these animals are so tame that they dont run, you can walk up to them and pet them. it is flat out unthinkable, imaginable , and downright wrong. hunting is a sport and that is what it should stay. i hunt deer all season long and study these animals and they are the most cautious , nervous, animals I have ever hunted. take that away from them and tame these wild animals is a sin!!

elkstalkr · 07-02-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bowhunterfishen

I really think those texas whitetails hunts look boring

Not all those TX hunts are canned.

If you had ever hunted Texas you would know that south central Texas just has that many trophy bucks!!!!

elkstalkr · 07-02-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bowhunterfishen

these animals are so tame that they dont run, you can walk up to them and pet them.

How do you know? The way you speak you have never been to a high fence ranch before.

Rest assured at any reptuable high fence operation you will not be able to simply walk up to thier animals. They run like any wild animal does and you have to sneak up on them.

bowhunterfishen · 07-02-2008, 09:45 PM

You are right I have never been to a high fence ranch and I would rather quit hunting then to ever stoop that low. Its not hunting its killing just to kill. I can argue this tell i am blue in the face, i think its a joke. I have spent the past 3 falls chasing public land elk in idaho and still have not gotten one. And Ill tell you I would be more happy with a spike than going to some canned hunt and paying 100,000 dollars for some nontypical farm raised elk, its baloney, and everyone that is a true hunter knows it!

bowhunterfishen · 07-02-2008, 10:09 PM

am I the only one who believes canned hunting is outragous

littleben · 07-02-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bowhunterfishen

canned hunts are pathedic, if you let a rooster go an hour before your hunt it that doesnt matter at all. those birds are so weak they cant even fly a block! Fishing in a lake is you cant even compare to canned hunts. all of these canned hunts guys use high powered rifles and shoot them on some ranch . these animals are so tame that they dont run, you can walk up to them and pet them. it is flat out unthinkable, imaginable , and downright wrong. hunting is a sport and that is what it should stay. i hunt deer all season long and study these animals and they are the most cautious , nervous, animals I have ever hunted. take that away from them and tame these wild animals is a sin!!

Mr. Bowhunterfishen, Everything in the above quoted post about enclosures is wrong, the animals are not tame, the method of take can be rifle, but a lot of it is archery, the animals can smell humans and don't like them, they run like hell, they are not tame, you cannot pet them, where in the world did you get this information, sounds like somthing off the PETA website. In my observations the fence is utilized as much to keep poachers out, as it is to keep the animals in.

obert · 07-02-2008, 11:40 PM

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In my observations the fence is utilized as much to keep poachers out, as it is to keep the animals in.

Are you kidding me? The fence is absolutely to keep the animals in. 100% Can't have that 30K farm raised buck wandering around ya know.. I'm sorry, but that statement is even farther off base than the petting statement.

flatcoats · 07-02-2008, 11:44 PM

overall bowhunter i agree. any hunt that you pay per inch isnt real and should be kept very seperate from real hunting. i would feel like a moron hunting an animal in a fence. but as i said earlier, my concern with banning it is the misconception that anti's and maybe even some general public might have that this is a step in the direction of stopping all hunting. do i want it around me? no. do I want it in my state? no. but the total stoppage of it does seem to be a little rash. it does blow that some people thing that its cool or acceptable. it gives a bad wrap to the whole outfitting industry in my opinion. anything guaranteed is crap.

oh and to the comment about released roosters.....nowhere near the same. see, there is no fence so if you miss theyre free. you dont get to chase em tomorrow inside of a fence. plus, the magnitude of shooting a 3lb ditch chicken just doesnt carry the same weight as a 300lb buck. and no one is strutting their stuff like theyre some great sportsman.

and foodplots being as bad (or comparable) to a fence?? are you serious? or are you kidding? our entire region is one big foodplot. just because you plant corn covered in sugar doesnt meen deer will even utilize it.

bowhunterfishen · 07-03-2008, 12:22 AM

[I am a freakin taxidermist and I need all the game I can get . But hunting in a fence there little benny is what I would like to call a 1.fraud 2. fake 3. disgrace. YOu are the reason peta is going to ban hunting because of fools that fence in a animal and go kill it with no problem. I have guided bear hunts, and elk hunts and I have experienced elk canned hunts and I walked right up to the fence and petted a 400 class bull elk so dont tell me these animals run when they smell you cuz that is a bunch of bs and you no it! I stand for free range and fair chase hunting all the other stuff is just for people who cant HUNT!!!!

bowhunterfishen · 07-03-2008, 12:26 AM

shooten a rooster that was pen raised in my opinon is still not the same as working for that 1 wild bird compared to going out and shooting a bunch of handicapped birds?

littleben · 07-03-2008, 10:21 AM

Ok there are stong feelings of dissagreement with my post, thats fine, I am not interested in "canned" hunts, but I have seen the facilities and know the operators of some of these places and they are not at all what you are describing. Sounds like you have seen different ones that are different than what I have. Still I don't think you should assume that it is always the way you think it is, cause you are wrong.

Black Lab 1 · 07-03-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mako

I'm not a hunter, but I'm sure it's kind of like this.

Which would excite me more? Finding a deer in the woods, or finding a deer at the zoo. I know they will be at the zoo. Still fun to see sometimes, but not much excitement in that. I still get kind of excited to find one out in the woods when I'm going for a hike. I guess some people just like going hunting at the zoo. But as people say, it's not hunting. It's just killing when you know it's there and guaranteed that it's there.

Mako, nice post.

Hunters would rather hunt them in the wild. Shooters want them penned up so it's easier to get them mounted on the wall.

It's like the guy that hires out his landscaping then accepts all the credit for a job well done.

True hunters don't shoot penned animals and call it hunting.

In the past I've shot penned raised pheasants. I just never made the mistake of calling it hunting.

bowhunterfishen · 07-03-2008, 01:03 PM

[I am not wrong little benny you are wrong! Your a fool if you thing otherwise.

07-02-2008, 02:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
obert Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: W. Omaha Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	I'm going into the business. I'm going to sell Angus hunts. Guided or unguided. Trophy fees apply. Gauranteed kill. Great angus beef I gaurantee you'll see no less than 3 bulls a day. Actually, all sarcasm aside wouldn't surprise me at all to see people paying to shoot a real Texas longhorn. I agree to an extent with you elkstalkr, but for cripes if a guy does it, don't compare it to the rest of us that do go out and hunt. It's not the same, 1 acre or 10K acres. I don't see a Troy Gentry hunt as good for us people who go out and buy a tag, hunt public or private ground w/free ranging animals, and are struggling to keep our hunting heritage alive. If there isn't enough proof that it affects others to have canned hunts that warrants a ban, at least separate it. __________________ God bless the USA... www.bowfishnebraska.org

07-02-2008, 04:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
obert Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: W. Omaha Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	I asked that question too b/c I didn't know about the situation with the wild animals. For instance if I put up a fence right now on our ground, how does one do that? The animals existing are property of the people. I wasn't sure if they extirminated them, relocated or how that works. __________________ God bless the USA... www.bowfishnebraska.org

07-02-2008, 07:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Canned hunts!! canned hunts are a disgrace to hunting and give all hunters a bad name! Not to mention they make us look like fat lazy hillbillies that are out there just to kill... they take away the entire purpose of hunting and give a bad image to all hunters. Who thought of this in the first place? Canned hunts for petes sake, why dont we just throw bass in my sons little swimming pool and go fishing!!!!! It trully is a pathetic excuse for a hunter and I really think those texas whitetails hunts look boring, doesnt even look like a sport. A bow and arrow and a trully wild animal is the way hunting should be no fences , no feaders, non of that crap.

07-02-2008, 08:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ridiculous canned hunts are pathedic, if you let a rooster go an hour before your hunt it that doesnt matter at all. those birds are so weak they cant even fly a block! Fishing in a lake is you cant even compare to canned hunts. all of these canned hunts guys use high powered rifles and shoot them on some ranch . these animals are so tame that they dont run, you can walk up to them and pet them. it is flat out unthinkable, imaginable , and downright wrong. hunting is a sport and that is what it should stay. i hunt deer all season long and study these animals and they are the most cautious , nervous, animals I have ever hunted. take that away from them and tame these wild animals is a sin!!

07-02-2008, 09:45 PM	#31 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	canned hunt You are right I have never been to a high fence ranch and I would rather quit hunting then to ever stoop that low. Its not hunting its killing just to kill. I can argue this tell i am blue in the face, i think its a joke. I have spent the past 3 falls chasing public land elk in idaho and still have not gotten one. And Ill tell you I would be more happy with a spike than going to some canned hunt and paying 100,000 dollars for some nontypical farm raised elk, its baloney, and everyone that is a true hunter knows it!

07-02-2008, 07:57 PM	#26 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	im with you man, its a disgrace to hunting and gives some fat guy who cant walk a chance to kill something and say hey man Im a real hunter . what a joke!!!!!

07-02-2008, 08:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
littleben Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is paying to hunt released Pheasants a canned hunt. What if they were released an hour before you hunt? What if it is a day? what if they were stocked a month ago or 3 months ago. What about fishing in a lake that has been stocked, maybe no fence, but they fish still can't get out?? If I could put up a fence around the property where I deer hunt, would it be as big of an advantage as just hunting over a food plot without a fence??If a property is 5 miles square and covered with trees and hills and gullys, but surrounded by a high fence and i fail to find the big buck because there are so many places for him to hide, does that make be a bad hunter, considering it is "canned". Again I think it is really easy to be critical, and somtimes harder to understand.

07-02-2008, 10:09 PM	#32 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	canned hunting am I the only one who believes canned hunting is outragous

07-02-2008, 11:44 PM	#35 (permalink)
flatcoats Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: omaha Posts: 1,206 Thanks: 2 Thanked 20 Times in 14 Posts	overall bowhunter i agree. any hunt that you pay per inch isnt real and should be kept very seperate from real hunting. i would feel like a moron hunting an animal in a fence. but as i said earlier, my concern with banning it is the misconception that anti's and maybe even some general public might have that this is a step in the direction of stopping all hunting. do i want it around me? no. do I want it in my state? no. but the total stoppage of it does seem to be a little rash. it does blow that some people thing that its cool or acceptable. it gives a bad wrap to the whole outfitting industry in my opinion. anything guaranteed is crap. oh and to the comment about released roosters.....nowhere near the same. see, there is no fence so if you miss theyre free. you dont get to chase em tomorrow inside of a fence. plus, the magnitude of shooting a 3lb ditch chicken just doesnt carry the same weight as a 300lb buck. and no one is strutting their stuff like theyre some great sportsman. and foodplots being as bad (or comparable) to a fence?? are you serious? or are you kidding? our entire region is one big foodplot. just because you plant corn covered in sugar doesnt meen deer will even utilize it.

07-03-2008, 12:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[I am a freakin taxidermist and I need all the game I can get . But hunting in a fence there little benny is what I would like to call a 1.fraud 2. fake 3. disgrace. YOu are the reason peta is going to ban hunting because of fools that fence in a animal and go kill it with no problem. I have guided bear hunts, and elk hunts and I have experienced elk canned hunts and I walked right up to the fence and petted a 400 class bull elk so dont tell me these animals run when they smell you cuz that is a bunch of bs and you no it! I stand for free range and fair chase hunting all the other stuff is just for people who cant HUNT!!!!

07-03-2008, 12:26 AM	#37 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	shooten a rooster that was pen raised in my opinon is still not the same as working for that 1 wild bird compared to going out and shooting a bunch of handicapped birds?

07-03-2008, 10:21 AM	#38 (permalink)
littleben Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok there are stong feelings of dissagreement with my post, thats fine, I am not interested in "canned" hunts, but I have seen the facilities and know the operators of some of these places and they are not at all what you are describing. Sounds like you have seen different ones that are different than what I have. Still I don't think you should assume that it is always the way you think it is, cause you are wrong.

07-03-2008, 01:03 PM	#40 (permalink)
bowhunterfishen Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lincoln Ne Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	?? [I am not wrong little benny you are wrong! Your a fool if you thing otherwise.

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