Burchard lake.........

Alex T. · 03-28-2007, 05:55 PM

Guess they aren't gonna put the dock in until water conditions improve. Still able to launch small boats. They hired a consulting firm in regards to the outlet structure leaking but they say it is "years away" from being dealt with until water cinditions improve. That info. came from the NGPC website under frequent questions. So,how are the conditions gonna improve if it keeps leaking? They know it's leaking,why the need to spend the money to have someone else tell you what you already know?

Why not get in there and fix it and save that great lake?

Alex

Pintail55 · 03-28-2007, 07:57 PM

I fish Burchard a lot and am getting a little nervous about the leak, Its getting worse. What I don''t understand is that I don't belive that it would be all that horbile to fix. I'm in the poured concrete wall bussiness and have repaired many of concrete walls with water coming through them. Know I know we are talking a lot more pressure than a normal wall but what would be so bad about hiring someone to atleast go in and try and fix it or at least slow it down until they can pemanatly fix it. I guess I just don't understand spending all that money on building a lake and then just letting all the water run out. I understand there are steps but isn;t there something that we can do.

Aquaman · 03-28-2007, 08:04 PM

Water hydraulics mean that water will always take the path of least resistance. Concrete won't help. It would just create a big leak in the budget. If you try to "patch" it, then the water will go around the patch.

Pintail55 · 03-28-2007, 09:19 PM

I'm talking about concrete patches. I'm talking epoxy injection hydrolic patches etc. Now I don't mean to over step my bounds but It just seams we could do something. I don't want to sound as the NGAP is not doing anything just seems as we could be doing more. Sorry if this is coming off abrassive really its not meant that way I'm just very concerend about a great lake.

south of 41 · 03-28-2007, 10:00 PM

burchard lake stamp might do the trick

Willie Boy · 03-28-2007, 11:16 PM

Not a bad idea...would think the NGPC just might have an idea of how much it costs to fix...perhaps that $5 increase in license fees might be used/help with something like this?

AnglerX · 03-29-2007, 12:08 PM

Ok first any type quick fix patching probably won't work. From my understanding, the leak is in the foundation of the outlet's down structure. Patching will(could?) hamper the operation of the gates. So either you drain the lake down another 10'(which would kill the fishery) and fix it right or second, patch it and loose operation of the gates. Burchard has a great watershed and water continues to flow in and out without several loss otherwise it would have been dry last fall.

Meat Stick · 03-29-2007, 01:19 PM

I have'nt been to Burchard since August, has the water level dropped due to this "leak"???

**Chad** · 03-29-2007, 03:47 PM

Welcome Meat Stick... great Avatar

Where was that pic taken (if you don't mind my asking)?

Dolomite · 03-29-2007, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad

Welcome Meat Stick... great Avatar

Where was that pic taken (if you don't mind my asking)?

I can appreciate a good Grass Carp!

Willie Boy · 03-29-2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnglerX

Ok first any type quick fix patching probably won't work. From my understanding, the leak is in the foundation of the outlet's down structure. Patching will(could?) hamper the operation of the gates. So either you drain the lake down another 10'(which would kill the fishery) and fix it right or second, patch it and loose operation of the gates. Burchard has a great watershed and water continues to flow in and out without several loss otherwise it would have been dry last fall.

A/X: having said that...guess it's always possible if they get that torrential localized downpoor that it could fill again...with the right 'runoff' it happens fast...so, in event that does occur...what's the estimated 'leak' flow rate vs average input? I mean, does it take a lot of rain consistently over time...or could one big cloudburst (say 2-3 inches) keep ahead of it on a yearly basis?

Since I think you have 'inside contacts' ...

Wingman · 03-29-2007, 10:59 PM

I'm not an engineer, nor do I know the extent of the leak... But there has been many advancements in temporary cofferdams and shoring systems that could be constructed to help in fixing such leaks as mentioned.

If influx of water is a problem, temporary pumps could help in diverting any water that may cause delay.

I'm sure NGPC has thought this through...

If suggestions are needed, I could help in this department as it is part of my normal job.

Don't know if this helped, but let me know if I can?

Rcher · 03-29-2007, 11:59 PM

Living in Beatrice, that place used to be my home away from home. It wasn't unusual for my son and I to fishe there 4 nights a week. This last year was the worst. Besides the low water, there are so many large shad there now they are taking the lures. I think the lake is in some serious trouble. Anyone else know why all the trees are being cut down? It was nice to have some sort of wind break. Now those are gone. What gives?

03-28-2007, 05:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alex T. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: under the lids of a laydown blind Certified Youth Fishing Instructor Posts: 3,418 Thanks: 0 Thanked 62 Times in 35 Posts	Burchard lake......... Guess they aren't gonna put the dock in until water conditions improve. Still able to launch small boats. They hired a consulting firm in regards to the outlet structure leaking but they say it is "years away" from being dealt with until water cinditions improve. That info. came from the NGPC website under frequent questions. So,how are the conditions gonna improve if it keeps leaking? They know it's leaking,why the need to spend the money to have someone else tell you what you already know? Why not get in there and fix it and save that great lake? Alex __________________ Listening to an e-caller daily to help pass the time until they come back

03-28-2007, 08:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Aquaman 2008 Catch & Continue Runner Up Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midwest U.S. Posts: 859 Thanks: 50 Thanked 34 Times in 14 Posts	concrete Water hydraulics mean that water will always take the path of least resistance. Concrete won't help. It would just create a big leak in the budget. If you try to "patch" it, then the water will go around the patch. __________________ I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey! --Texas Ranger

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south of 41 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sea monster Posts: 2,240 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts	burchard lake stamp might do the trick __________________ The advantage of a classical education is that it enables you to despise the wealth that it prevents you from achieving. Eighty percent of success is showing up. RECOVERING NICOTINE ADDICT SINCE April 6th 2008

03-28-2007, 11:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Willie Boy Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Omaha Posts: 2,534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not a bad idea...would think the NGPC just might have an idea of how much it costs to fix...perhaps that $5 increase in license fees might be used/help with something like this? __________________ I don't care what job I have, until I am king of the world I will be 'underemployed' :wRazzing:

03-29-2007, 12:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
AnglerX Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: where the shad are.. Posts: 2,595 Thanks: 11 Thanked 54 Times in 22 Posts	Ok first any type quick fix patching probably won't work. From my understanding, the leak is in the foundation of the outlet's down structure. Patching will(could?) hamper the operation of the gates. So either you drain the lake down another 10'(which would kill the fishery) and fix it right or second, patch it and loose operation of the gates. Burchard has a great watershed and water continues to flow in and out without several loss otherwise it would have been dry last fall. __________________ Keeper of the Blue Bucket ...

03-28-2007, 07:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pintail55 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I fish Burchard a lot and am getting a little nervous about the leak, Its getting worse. What I don''t understand is that I don't belive that it would be all that horbile to fix. I'm in the poured concrete wall bussiness and have repaired many of concrete walls with water coming through them. Know I know we are talking a lot more pressure than a normal wall but what would be so bad about hiring someone to atleast go in and try and fix it or at least slow it down until they can pemanatly fix it. I guess I just don't understand spending all that money on building a lake and then just letting all the water run out. I understand there are steps but isn;t there something that we can do.

03-28-2007, 09:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pintail55 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm talking about concrete patches. I'm talking epoxy injection hydrolic patches etc. Now I don't mean to over step my bounds but It just seams we could do something. I don't want to sound as the NGAP is not doing anything just seems as we could be doing more. Sorry if this is coming off abrassive really its not meant that way I'm just very concerend about a great lake.

03-29-2007, 01:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Meat Stick Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Just East of the Lake Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have'nt been to Burchard since August, has the water level dropped due to this "leak"??? __________________ Out-the-Window Outfitters:Chief Scouter Camel Wides Pro-Staff Last edited by Meat Stick; 03-29-2007 at 01:28 PM.

03-29-2007, 03:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chad Director Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gone Fishin' Posts: 6,466 Thanks: 59 Thanked 68 Times in 42 Posts	Welcome Meat Stick... great Avatar Where was that pic taken (if you don't mind my asking)? __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

03-29-2007, 10:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
Wingman 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 297 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm not an engineer, nor do I know the extent of the leak... But there has been many advancements in temporary cofferdams and shoring systems that could be constructed to help in fixing such leaks as mentioned. If influx of water is a problem, temporary pumps could help in diverting any water that may cause delay. I'm sure NGPC has thought this through... If suggestions are needed, I could help in this department as it is part of my normal job. Don't know if this helped, but let me know if I can?

03-29-2007, 11:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rcher Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Beatrice Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Living in Beatrice, that place used to be my home away from home. It wasn't unusual for my son and I to fishe there 4 nights a week. This last year was the worst. Besides the low water, there are so many large shad there now they are taking the lures. I think the lake is in some serious trouble. Anyone else know why all the trees are being cut down? It was nice to have some sort of wind break. Now those are gone. What gives?

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