Problem with Knots and Super braid line

MA Machine · 07-04-2008, 02:04 PM

I am currently having a problem that I have never experienced before. I recently switched to super braid line since I fish in really heavy cover. I love the super braid but my knots seem to work out for some unknown reason. I have always used a Berkley Knot with my Mono and never had a problem no matter what test of line I used. The super braid that I am currently using has a mono diameter eq of 8 lb test. IS there a different knot that I should be using with this stuff? I've lost more lures this year than ever as a result of a mid-air backlashes and the resulting sudden stop. I even had a really nice LMB untie my knot the other day right next to the bank. And yes it must of done it with it's tongue since I did not see it use it's fins. Any help would be appreciated.

Alex T. · 07-04-2008, 02:17 PM

I use a Palomar knot with braids. The thing with braids is they can cut the line just by friction on itself. We have the same problem once in awhile. I take extra time to make sure there is not twisted/crossed line when tying the knot. Also,the knot can slip with braids more so than mono. Take the extra second to make sure it's snugged down(wet the line well when pulling it tight) good and cut your tag end just a little longer than you would with mono.

Alex

LincolnLunger · 07-04-2008, 02:46 PM

The only time i use braided line is when I am muskie fishing and I use 80lb test braid. the know that I use is the polamor.

srmrn2 · 07-04-2008, 03:30 PM

No question Palomar knot works best with braided line

Steve

magnusthebigbrownlab · 07-04-2008, 03:48 PM

A little dab of super glue will help with that too.

Fish On · 07-04-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MA Machine

I have always used a Berkley Knot

Do you mean the trilene knot? That's all I use and the only time I've had a problem was when using 30lb fireline (and the line was new and slick). I've gotten used to leaving a 3/4" or longer tag when tying knots. I still use the same knot with that same line and have zero problems now. A little dab of superglue will help or burn the tag with a lighter will help also. Once that slickness wears off some you will have less slippage.

I read an article that tested several lines and knots, palomar and braid only yielded like 60% of the lines breaking strength.

tomich · 07-04-2008, 04:31 PM

Your question has been answered here already. The palomar is the most efficient knot to use with superbraids.

Alex T. · 07-04-2008, 05:12 PM

Fishing Knots Click on whichever type of knot you wanna look at. Or, Animated Knots by Grog and click on knot list.Pick the knot you want and it'll bring up an animated "how-to" on how to tie any knot.

Alex

Red · 07-04-2008, 06:16 PM

Bet that bass was a good kisser.

I like the polamar knot with a dot super-glue.

1tohuntandfish · 07-05-2008, 01:06 AM

ma machine are you sure you're not cutting the line in order to get your backlashes undone?

wcbad · 07-05-2008, 08:52 AM

Fish On, the Trilene knot is also a good knot for braids. It's what I use the majority of the time with the power pro brand of line. Palomar is also a very good knot. You won't go wrong with either one.

mrcold · 07-05-2008, 03:34 PM

palomar knot, like everyone says. One thing I'm ALWAYS sure to do now is wet the line before pulling the knot tight. I think the line cuts into itself if you don't do that, I used to have lots of problems before using that trick.

lunkerman · 07-05-2008, 06:49 PM

use this. if you make sure it is tight than you will have no problems.

Trilene Fishing Knots step by step illustrated instructions on Trilene and other fishing knots at Fish4Fun

MA Machine · 07-06-2008, 09:36 AM

Thanks for the help. I got a knot tying handout from Scheels and the Palomar knot is what I need to be using. I guess the correct name for the knot I have been using is the Trilene knot. Berkley tried to steal the knot about 20 years ago and had it on one of their packages as the Berkley knot thus I have called it the Berkley knot for 20 years. It almost worked for them.

mrcold · 07-06-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MA Machine

Thanks for the help. I got a knot tying handout from Scheels and the Palomar knot is what I need to be using. I guess the correct name for the knot I have been using is the Trilene knot. Berkley tried to steal the knot about 20 years ago and had it on one of their packages as the Berkley knot thus I have called it the Berkley knot for 20 years. It almost worked for them.

I doubt they'll be too offended either way...they'll get the money in the end.

Bass-Assassin · 07-06-2008, 04:45 PM

Improve clinch knot works the best for me. I used just a clinch knot for years. Once I started using braided I graduated to the improved clinch. Perhaps they improved it for the very reason of braided line?

flatcoats · 07-06-2008, 05:35 PM

definite vote for improved cinch. was using other knots when i started throwing power pro, but havent had a knot slip since i went to this knot.

Justin83 · 07-07-2008, 09:08 AM

Palomar knot is the only knot I tie, regardless of presentation/technique. I've just found it to be an easy, strong knot that you can teach just about anybody. I always tie a palomar knot, then take the extra tag, and tie one more simple loop knot on top, and that ensures that it won't slip.

thedarkarcher · 07-07-2008, 11:34 AM

I've Used Super Lines For About 10 Years, The Trilene Knot Has Never Failed Me.

Patrick Olson · 07-07-2008, 11:39 AM

I have had both Improved clinch and clinch slip with heavy braid. Especially on hard hook sets with big fish. A palomer with the loop passed through the eye twice will test at close to 100% with braid. An IC will test at 90-95% if it is well seated (which is harder to get with braid), but its failure rate when actually fishing and not just testing knot strength will be much higher because of slips

PO

07-04-2008, 02:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
MA Machine 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 158	Problem with Knots and Super braid line I am currently having a problem that I have never experienced before. I recently switched to super braid line since I fish in really heavy cover. I love the super braid but my knots seem to work out for some unknown reason. I have always used a Berkley Knot with my Mono and never had a problem no matter what test of line I used. The super braid that I am currently using has a mono diameter eq of 8 lb test. IS there a different knot that I should be using with this stuff? I've lost more lures this year than ever as a result of a mid-air backlashes and the resulting sudden stop. I even had a really nice LMB untie my knot the other day right next to the bank. And yes it must of done it with it's tongue since I did not see it use it's fins. Any help would be appreciated.

07-04-2008, 02:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Alex T. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: in a laydown blind Posts: 2,846	I use a Palomar knot with braids. The thing with braids is they can cut the line just by friction on itself. We have the same problem once in awhile. I take extra time to make sure there is not twisted/crossed line when tying the knot. Also,the knot can slip with braids more so than mono. Take the extra second to make sure it's snugged down(wet the line well when pulling it tight) good and cut your tag end just a little longer than you would with mono. Alex __________________ CHECKIN' THOSE SEXY LITTLE LEGS LOOKIN' FOR IRON........

07-04-2008, 03:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
magnusthebigbrownlab Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Omaha Posts: 1,128	A little dab of super glue will help with that too. __________________ On Wisconsin! On Wisconsin! Plunge right through that line! Run the ball clear down the field! A touchdown sure this time! (Ooh Rah Rah!)

07-04-2008, 04:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
tomich Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 298	Palomar Your question has been answered here already. The palomar is the most efficient knot to use with superbraids.

07-04-2008, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Alex T. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: in a laydown blind Posts: 2,846	Fishing Knots Click on whichever type of knot you wanna look at. Or, Animated Knots by Grog and click on knot list.Pick the knot you want and it'll bring up an animated "how-to" on how to tie any knot. Alex __________________ CHECKIN' THOSE SEXY LITTLE LEGS LOOKIN' FOR IRON........

07-04-2008, 02:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
LincolnLunger Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: on the water 24/7 Posts: 265	The only time i use braided line is when I am muskie fishing and I use 80lb test braid. the know that I use is the polamor.

07-04-2008, 03:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
srmrn2 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Milard Posts: 44	No question Palomar knot works best with braided line Steve

07-04-2008, 06:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Red Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Gering NE. Posts: 183	Bet that bass was a good kisser. I like the polamar knot with a dot super-glue. __________________ Prop me up inside the goose blind if I die, Fill my boots up with sand, throw my Benelli Nova in my hand, Lord I wanna go to Heaven but I don't wanna go this winter...

07-05-2008, 01:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
1tohuntandfish Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 18	ma machine are you sure you're not cutting the line in order to get your backlashes undone?

07-05-2008, 08:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
wcbad Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Elkhorn, NE Posts: 109	Fish On, the Trilene knot is also a good knot for braids. It's what I use the majority of the time with the power pro brand of line. Palomar is also a very good knot. You won't go wrong with either one. __________________ "Recovering Elkaha lic"

07-05-2008, 03:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
mrcold Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 439	palomar knot, like everyone says. One thing I'm ALWAYS sure to do now is wet the line before pulling the knot tight. I think the line cuts into itself if you don't do that, I used to have lots of problems before using that trick.

07-05-2008, 06:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
lunkerman Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Grand Island Posts: 283	use this. if you make sure it is tight than you will have no problems. Trilene Fishing Knots step by step illustrated instructions on Trilene and other fishing knots at Fish4Fun

07-06-2008, 09:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
MA Machine 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 158	Thanks for the help. I got a knot tying handout from Scheels and the Palomar knot is what I need to be using. I guess the correct name for the knot I have been using is the Trilene knot. Berkley tried to steal the knot about 20 years ago and had it on one of their packages as the Berkley knot thus I have called it the Berkley knot for 20 years. It almost worked for them.

07-06-2008, 04:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bass-Assassin 2008 Catch and Continue Finalist Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 42	Improve clinch knot works the best for me. I used just a clinch knot for years. Once I started using braided I graduated to the improved clinch. Perhaps they improved it for the very reason of braided line? Last edited by Bass-Assassin; 07-06-2008 at 04:50 PM.

07-06-2008, 05:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
flatcoats Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: omaha Posts: 953	definite vote for improved cinch. was using other knots when i started throwing power pro, but havent had a knot slip since i went to this knot.

07-07-2008, 09:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
Justin83 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 376	Palomar knot is the only knot I tie, regardless of presentation/technique. I've just found it to be an easy, strong knot that you can teach just about anybody. I always tie a palomar knot, then take the extra tag, and tie one more simple loop knot on top, and that ensures that it won't slip. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-07-2008, 11:34 AM	#19 (permalink)
thedarkarcher Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 294	I've Used Super Lines For About 10 Years, The Trilene Knot Has Never Failed Me.

07-07-2008, 11:39 AM	#20 (permalink)
Patrick Olson Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Omaha/Lincoln Posts: 204	I have had both Improved clinch and clinch slip with heavy braid. Especially on hard hook sets with big fish. A palomer with the loop passed through the eye twice will test at close to 100% with braid. An IC will test at 90-95% if it is well seated (which is harder to get with braid), but its failure rate when actually fishing and not just testing knot strength will be much higher because of slips PO

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