H1N1 Vaccine Dangers

[Fishingnerd33]

Not sure if any of you guys are considering the swine flu vaccine, but I thought I'd pass along some info that I've found. The swine flu vaccine isn't the only vaccine that contains dangerous ingredients though...

The H1N1 vaccine contains two ingredients you should know about:

1 – Squalene. This chemical is a neurotoxin that was used in vaccines
during the first Gulf War and gave 25% of American soldiers Gulf War
Syndrome when they were vaccinated. The courts banned it’s use by the
Pentagon but the H1N1 vaccine contains a dose one million times larger
than that given to the soldiers. That's not an exaggeration, that's the
actual dose.

2 – Mercury - One of the most toxic substances known to man. You're not
supposed to even handle mercury, let alone ingest it, let alone inject it.
Mercury is a heavy metal that collects in the body and makes you go mad,
which is the reason we have the phrase mad hatters. Hatters handled
mercury.

There are a number of stories published about this but this is a reputable
site with a detailed list of reference links at the end:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14851

This article has a quote from the vaccine maker confirming the mercury
content

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122228

In addition, the World Health Organization in the UK has warned the
vaccine is unsafe:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23724398-details/Vaccine+for+swine+flu+may+be+unsafe+warns+WHO/article.do

You may notice that none of these stories come from the US where we're
being encouraged to get the vaccine..

[arrowhead]

my wife is pregnant and she has been saying it hasnt been tested enough and its not safe. Now I know she is right. Thanks a lot for the info.

[H2only]

I dont trust this vaccine at all, period, I also find it fishy that in 2008 the company that makes the vaccine reported in their 2008 annual report, that they expected a 531% increase in sales for the year 2009. Now, how do you project an increase like that unless you knew ahead of time, even before the first case of Swine Flu? Also Donald Rumsfeld owns a large amount of stock in this company it has been reported.
Today MSNBC reported that Obama declared the swine flu a National Emergency. Now go look up some the laws passed this year regarding the actions of what could happen if a pandemic happens while declared a national emergency.
Last week a ban was also lifted by FDA on the amount of Mercury that could be put in the vaccine.
Mercury Ban Lifted Just For Swine Flu Vaccine : Kevin Trudeau Show
Also some laws have been passed recently that give immunity to the makers of the vaccines,
Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers - Swine flu- msnbc.com
so when things bad happen to the people who got it they (the manufacturer) are safe from being held accountable.
We have already heard the reports of employers issuing lay off for not receiving it, and the talks of a mandatory vaccination of the population, now as a national emergency, if they say take it, you will have to. Some of the possible fines for not taking it have been from a 1000.00 a day fine or quarantine. Mass. was one place who was working on fines such as those.

listen very carefully around the 46 sec mark "enter a private property, isolate or quarantine, and administer the vaccine" (that will be done against your will)
Is the swine flu real, sure, is it worse then the regular flu? not yet....I smell a money making scheme going on more than anything.

here is the PDF of the annual report, go to page 3 a few paragraphs down for 2009 outlook.

http://www.chugai-pharm.co.jp/pdf/an...2009_12_04.pdf

[Fishingnerd33]

Originally Posted by arrowhead

my wife is pregnant and she has been saying it hasnt been tested enough and its not safe. Now I know she is right. Thanks a lot for the info.

I'm really glad your wife decided against it. No telling what the junk in them could possibly do to the baby, let alone the mother. Scary stuff.

[skeeter85]

I'm just throwing this out there for gee whiz info. I cannot comment on how I feel about it but you can imagine.

The military has made this a required vaccination. In other words, get it, or get out. I have a family to support so I guess I'm getting it.



They did the same thing with anthrax.

[H2only]

I just looked up the power he has under a national emergency:

“When the President formally declares a national emergency, he may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens,” writes Harold Relyea, a specialist in national government with the Congressional Research Service, an arm of the Library of Congress.

darn it, now my kids want to get the shot thanks to this cute little video

Information on Flu Vaccines Gets Animated

[tjm]

PUBLIC health officials are now battling not only a fast-spreading influenza virus but also unfounded fears about the vaccine that can prevent it.
Since April, more than a million Americans have caught H1N1 flu, more than 10,000 have been hospitalized, and about 1,000 have died, including 76 children. And it’s only the beginning of October. Yet, in a new survey, 41 percent of adults said they will not get vaccinated.
The good news is that for the first time in more than 50 years we’ve made a vaccine against a pandemic strain of influenza before the onset of winter, when lower temperatures and humidity allow the virus to spread more easily. Distributing this vaccine to those who need it most — pregnant women, health care workers, children older than six months and people with compromised immunity — will be difficult enough. But the task is made harder by the various myths, spread on TV talk shows and Web sites, suggesting that Americans have more to fear from the vaccine than from the deadly disease it prevents. Here are some of those myths, and why they’re wrong:
SWINE FLU VACCINE IS UNSAFE The H1N1 virus revealed itself too late for it to be included in this year’s seasonal flu vaccine. But the H1N1-specific vaccine was manufactured in the same way as the regular vaccine: The shot form is made by growing the virus in hen’s eggs, purifying it and then treating it with a chemical that inactivates it. This technology has been used to make influenza vaccines for 60 years, and it has an excellent safety record. The nasal spray form is made by adapting the virus to temperatures below those typically found in the body. This allows it to reproduce in the relatively cool lining of the nose, but not in the lungs where it could cause harm. This technology has been used safely for more than 30 years. FluMist, a seasonal flu vaccine used since 2003, is made the same way.
THE VACCINE IS UNTESTED The H1N1 vaccine has already been given to thousands of volunteers to determine whether it could protect them from the virus and to make sure that it caused no adverse reactions. Only then did the Food and Drug Administration license it.
THE VACCINE CONTAINS A DANGEROUS ADJUVANT Some vaccines, like the hepatitis B and human papillomavirus vaccines, have substances called adjuvants, which are added to enhance the immune response, so that smaller quantities of vaccine can be given. Some people fear that the H1N1 vaccine contains, in particular, squalene, an adjuvant that, while included in other vaccines in Europe and Canada, has never been used in routine vaccines in the United States. But the H1N1 vaccine available in the United States has no adjuvant of any kind.
THE VACCINE HAS A DANGEROUS PRESERVATIVE Thimerosal, a preservative containing ethyl mercury that has been in vaccines since the 1930s, is used to prevent inadvertent bacterial and fungal contamination of multi-dose vials. H1N1 vaccine distributed in multi-dose vials will contain about 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury per dose. The issue of thimerosal received public attention in 1999 when the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service took the precautionary step of asking that thimerosal be removed from single-dose vials of all vaccines. This was done in such a precipitous and frightening manner that it gave rise to the notion that thimerosal had led to autism or mercury poisoning. It hadn’t.
In fact, subsequent studies found that infants could safely receive eight times as much mercury as is contained in the H1N1 vaccine. But the public’s perception of thimerosal was damaged. This year, enough thimerosal-free vaccine is available to inoculate children under age 6, but that does not mean doses with thimerosal are unsafe.
New myths will inevitably arise as some of the millions of people who are inoculated against H1N1 flu suffer unrelated illnesses. Health officials will keep a close eye out for any real problems. One can only hope that the American public will understand that subsequence isn’t necessarily consequence, and not be scared away from a vaccine that can save lives.
Paul A. Offit, the chief of the infectious diseases division of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the author of “Autism’s False Prophets: Bad Science, Risky Medicine and the Search for a Cure.”

[H2only]

Originally Posted by tjm

But the H1N1 vaccine available in the United States has no adjuvant of any kind.

really?

Will Future Swine Flu Vaccines Contain Unlicensed Adjuvants?

Oil-in-water adjuvants (squalene) have not been licensed in the U.S., although they are used in some inactivated vaccines marketed in Europe and other countries (live virus vaccines do not contain adjuvants). Many inactivated vaccines in the U.S. contain licensed aluminum-based adjuvants added to increase production of antibodies in an effort to make vaccines more effective at preventing infection.

Oil-based adjuvants (MF-59 and AS03) manipulate and hyper-stimulate the immune system to mount a stronger immune response to the lab-altered virus or bacteria contained in vaccines. However, the use of squalene type vaccine adjuvants, which were allegedly added to experimental anthrax vaccines and made Gulf War soldiers sick, is controversial.

Oil based adjuvants may increase the risk for vaccine-induced chronic inflammation and autoimmunity in some children and adults genetically predisposed to atypical inflammatory responses and autoimmunity. No published scientific studies have examined whether those already suffering with chronic inflammation associated with brain and immune system dysfunction may be at special risk.

U.S. health officials are expected to by-pass normal FDA licensing procedures and include oil-in-water adjuvants in some swine flu vaccines released for public use. The legal ability for the FDA to approve unlicensed vaccines and drugs whenever a national “public health emergency” has been declared was given to the FDA by Congress under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) provision included in 2004 Project Bioshield legislation (see below for more information on Bioshield and the EUA).


notice the bold "public health emergency"? see how everything is just falling into place?
Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - Yahoo! News

source: Pandemic H1N1 Swine Flu: What About You & Your Family?

[Hawkeye]

I got the intranasal vaccine through work(WHAT?! Don't you know that is a live virus?!) I will be giving my kid the vaccine, too. Nobody forced me. I weighed the risks vs benefits. I am exposed to everything since I work at a hospital, and so is my kid since he goes to daycare at a hospital. We might find out in 30 years that this vaccine was terrible for us, or we might find out in 2 months that those who didn't get the vaccine are now infected with H1N1. Lots of great material for both the left and right to spread fear.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

We might find out in 30 years that this vaccine was terrible for us, or we might find out in 2 months that those who didn't get the vaccine are now infected with H1N1.

true, and according to the data, I feel the seasonal flu is more dangerous this the H1N1, if we are talking fear, this whole H1N1 has been nothing but. Now without the vaccine I wont have the possibility of getting Guillain-Barre syndrome, personally I would rather be down for a week with flu symptoms

[Slack Jaw]

Originally Posted by skeeter85

I'm just throwing this out there for gee whiz info. I cannot comment on how I feel about it but you can imagine.

The military has made this a required vaccination. In other words, get it, or get out. I have a family to support so I guess I'm getting it.



They did the same thing with anthrax.

You ever get the guinea pig feeling in the military? You ever get the yellow fever vaccine?

[MA Machine]

There could be a outbreak of brain eating zombies. I'm not getting the vaccine and I'll also be buying a truck load of 12 gauge OO buck.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by H2only

true, and according to the data, I feel the seasonal flu is more dangerous this the H1N1, if we are talking fear, this whole H1N1 has been nothing but. Now without the vaccine I wont have the possibility of getting Guillain-Barre syndrome, personally I would rather be down for a week with flu symptoms

Not trying to argue, just pointing out that the seasonal flu and H1N1 are affecting different age groups. There are side affects to any vaccine or medication you put in your body. I don't know the number of people who were afflicted with Guillain-Barre after the last vaccines in the '70s, but guessing it was fewer than the death toll from this current "outbreak." Plus standards are much better. It seems that the current vaccine was produced in such haste that there could be problems with it. Just for the record I thought of the same things you are saying as far as reasons not to get this vaccine, but chose to get it. I won't tell anyone they have to or should get it, they should do their own research and make their own decision. I just don't like all of the myths people associate with vaccines, in general ie, Autism and children's vaccines and people saying they got the flu from getting a seasonal flu shot. Or relying on Glenn Beck to decide if you should get the H1N1 vaccine or not

[tjm]

Originally Posted by H2only

true, and according to the data, I feel the seasonal flu is more dangerous this the H1N1,

As stated by others, it depends on what age group were talking about. H1N1 is killing more childeren than normal seasonal flu. My kids will be getting the vaccine when it is locally available (both have health underlying health issues that make them especially at risk). Since it sound like supply will be short and I'm not in the most at risk categorys, I will likely not get the vaccine.

[Chasin 'eyes]

First off, for all of us in the pork industry please quit calling it swine flu - it's H1N1. Farmers have taken a beating beacuse of the inproper naming of the this.

I will not take it or wil my family after seeing what is in the vaccinations, we'll take our chances.

[tmn515]

I had the H1N1 a couple weeks back. Tested positive for it and it really does suck. Non stop coughing, high fever and body aches and no sleep. 2 days before the symptoms showed up I had a party at my house. All 10 people at the party also tested positive for it. Its a really crazy illness and spreads like wild fire.

Although I was pretty ill for 5 days or so, I wouldn't say at any point I was really scared. My g/f has asthma and I was really scared for her however. Thank god we got out with just a couple trips to the doctor.

Saying all this...i'm still not sure about the mass panic associated with it. I have had the regular seasonal flu before and although this was different I wouldn't say it was really worse. I do have a friend from high school that got life flighted to Creighton friday and is fighting for his life on a ventilator though because of complications from the h1n1.

I guess its just a personal decision I guess to get it or not. If I wouldn't have already got the H1N1 I would probably get the shot. Being really sick sucks!

Troy

[gwhunter]

I think it is a ploy by Obama to take over the minds of all Americans.

[bigjigs]

Its hard to say whats right anymore. I've never realy liked shots/vaccines but now I've got my best friend in the hopital in critical cond. with viral pnemonia. They have him in a induced coma on a ventilater and they're having a hard time keeping his blood staurated with O2. Started out as H1N1. He's in his early 30's, never smoked, and healthy as an ox. Darned if you do darned if you don't.

[Jump n Fish]

I just don't really understand the panic either. I've been around people with it, and haven't caught it yet. Its been rampant around here for awhile. I think I'm 1 of 2 people in my work place that hasn't gotten it yet, and their families as well. Nobody I know had any symptoms longer than 7 days, and several people I know were over it in 3 days. They went to the doctor to confirm it, but nobody I work with went to the hospital that I'm aware of. However I know two healthy people that have died from pneumonia that wasn't even related to H1N1, so who knows. Pneumonia is bad news regardless of how it originates.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Jump n Fish

Pneumonia is bad news regardless of how it originates.

exactly, there are a number of far greater risk each season that blow the numbers of H1N1 out of the water, but man the hype over this is out of control for some reason.