H1N1 Vaccine Dangers

[Jump n Fish]

This is a serious question for anyone knowledgeable in the field. Why is it such a concern that H1N1 will mutuate into something much more serious, whereas this isn't a concern with the regular flu? If thats really the argument for the vaccine is to try and prevent the spread of the mutated virus. Is there something different about the regular flu that it wouldn't mutate into something more dangerous? Or is it because the regular flu has mutated so many times that our bodies have gotten used to the various strains. Otherwise I'm honestly confused why the swine flu is considered an epidemic or national emergency and the regular flu is not? The symptoms of swine flu really aren't any different and as far as I know the regular flu claims more lives. Not trying to push an agenda, just a serious question.

The reason I don't want to get the vaccine is simply because of all the contradicting opinions on it. One well accredited Dr will say "its safe, get it", and another well accredited Dr will say, "no way that I'd put that into my body." If its that debated among medical professionals, I'll take my chances with the H1N1. I know a lot of people that have had the virus, and been perfectly fine in a few days. I don't get the regular flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 15 years. Pocket hand sanitizer is the greatest invention of my lifetime. Now if were talking smallpox, the black death, or something crazy thats one thing, but if its something my body has a greater than 99% of surviving, then I'd much rather just be exposed so I'm that much stronger afterward.

[jarredbehrendt]

The FDA's allowable intake of mercury per kilogram per day is 0.5mcg, to give a reference point on the amount of mercury. Though this would not be advised for someone who is pregnant or nursing a small child.

[jarredbehrendt]

Originally Posted by Jump n Fish

This is a serious question for anyone knowledgeable in the field. Why is it such a concern that H1N1 will mutuate into something much more serious, whereas this isn't a concern with the regular flu? If thats really the argument for the vaccine is to try and prevent the spread of the mutated virus. Is there something different about the regular flu that it wouldn't mutate into something more dangerous? Or is it because the regular flu has mutated so many times that our bodies have gotten used to the various strains. Otherwise I'm honestly confused why the swine flu is considered an epidemic or national emergency and the regular flu is not? The symptoms of swine flu really aren't any different and as far as I know the regular flu claims more lives. Not trying to push an agenda, just a serious question.

The reason I don't want to get it is simply because of all the contradicting opinions on it. One well accredited Dr will say "its safe, get it", and another well accredited Dr will say, "no way that I'd put that into my body." If its that debated among medical professionals, I'll take my chances with the H1N1. I know a lot of people that have had it, and been perfectly fine in a few days. I don't get the regular flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 15 years. Pocket hand sanitizer is the greatest invention of my lifetime. Now if were talking smallpox, the black death, or something crazy thats one thing, but if its something my body has a greater than 99% of surviving, then I'd much rather just be exposed so I'm that much stronger afterward.

H1N1 came form a different species and mutated to infect humans, in the past the most horrific diseases (plague anyone, aids, ebola?) were diseases that started in another species but mutated to parisitize humans. That is the big worry, the disease has the ability to mutate quite readily.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by jarredbehrendt

The FDA's allowable intake of mercury per kilogram per day is 0.5mcg, to give a reference point on the amount of mercury. Though this would not be advised for someone who is pregnant or nursing a small child.

correct, then why the push for pregnant women and children to receive it?

[jarredbehrendt]

Originally Posted by H2only

correct, then why the push for pregnant women and children to receive it?

Beats me. Im not pushing for pregnant women to get it. Most children (those that weigh more than 2 kilos= 4.4lbs) will not be affected by the level of mercury, and considering that the lower age groups have been hit the hardest, they (those over 2 kilos) should probably get the vaccine.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by Fishingnerd33

If the vaccine isn't bad for you why haven't the president's own daughters received it? You can't tell me there isn't enough vaccine that the president can't get some...if he's not willing to put that stuff into his own daughters, why should he expect the rest of the country to do it?

Some criticism as Obama girls get flu shot - The Boston Globe

Snarky comments began popping up on blogs and other online sites after Tuesday’s announcement that the Obama girls were vaccinated by the White House doctor last week.

The president and Michelle Obama are waiting until priority groups are inoculated to get their own swine flu shots, the White House says. Besides children, these include pregnant women and people with chronic health problems.

Hmmmmmm....

[Coop]

Originally Posted by H2only

correct, then why the push for pregnant women and children to receive it?

Because pregnant women, especially late in their pregnancies have reduced lung capacities and with a virus like this that is so hard on the lungs, they were seeing much worse cases. Pregnant women can also pass the benifits of the vaccine onto their babies, which is a good thing since they are high risk, and can't get the vaccine theirselves. It was a failure that the vaccine wasn't ready early enough for a lot of pregnant women to get it before the season started.

I'm the furthest from the left, and have no love for Obama, but those that see this vaccine as some crazy government plot are just as ridiculous as 911 truthers.

If you or someone you are responsible is in a high risk category get the vaccine. This thing can be serious. If you have concerns, then ask YOUR doctor, don't rely on websites, emails or some radio doctor. There's crazies with agendas out there, the same irresponsible nutjobs who say you shouldn't vaccinate your kids for ANYTHING are the ones making a lot of this noise.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Coop

Because pregnant women, especially late in their pregnancies have reduced lung capacities and with a virus like this that is so hard on the lungs, they were seeing much worse cases. Pregnant women can also pass the benifits of the vaccine onto their babies, which is a good thing since they are high risk, and can't get the vaccine theirselves. It was a failure that the vaccine wasn't ready early enough for a lot of pregnant women to get it before the season started.

the point was, why in the warnings ON THE VACCINE LABELS it says Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman
only if clearly needed.
So what is "clearly needed?", they are pushing this for ALL pregnant women, not the ones that "clearly need" it.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Coop

If you have concerns, then ask YOUR doctor, don't rely on websites, emails or some radio doctor. There's crazies with agendas out there, the same irresponsible nutjobs who say you shouldn't vaccinate your kids for ANYTHING are the ones making a lot of this noise.

Also please remember the same people who want everyone to get this vaccines are filling the news media with nothing but the "get it" message. You want an agenda? you got one right there.....

[tjm]

Originally Posted by H2only

Also please remember the same people who want everyone to get this vaccines are filling the news media with nothing but the "get it" message. You want an agenda? you got one right there.....

Listen to the podcast with Dr. Bruce The Adam Carolla Podcast

[H2only]

Originally Posted by tjm

Listen to the podcast with Dr. Bruce The Adam Carolla Podcast

So....I listened to it, what was I supposed to get out of it? to take medical advice from a comedian?
BTW, for every "expert" for the vaccine, I can find one against it.

[tjm]

Originally Posted by H2only

So....I listened to it, what was I supposed to get out of it? to take medical advice from a comedian?.

I don't recall saying that, but whatever....

Originally Posted by H2only

BTW, for every "expert" for the vaccine, I can find one against it.

BTW, no you can't. Have you asked any local doctor?

[H2only]

Originally Posted by tjm

I don't recall saying that, but whatever....



BTW, no you can't. Have you asked any local doctor?

I have asked my doctor, he is one "against" giving it unless you have fallen into the "critical" criteria for one who should get it.
My wife, myself and my 3 sons dont fall into what he considers a substantial reason for getting it.

[Jump n Fish]

Not to stir the pot some more because I don't have an agenda either way. But I've asked two different personal doctors, a friend of mine thats a PA, and also my mother-in-law thats an RN. All of them advised against getting the vaccine. My mother-in-law's Dr that she works for is the one that advised her against it. I've yet to talk to anybody in the medical field in person that has recommended it. Of course I've seen some of the experts on TV that are recommending it and the few in the field on here that say to get it and I don't necessarily view them as less credible. But, naturally I'm gonna trust those I know personally. There are also experts on tv that say not to get it as well. If its that debated, I'll take my chances with the virus.

If they decide to do mandatory vaccines, well I won't be happy about it, but I'll probably take my chance with the vaccine before I'd pack up and move to Canada or get forced into quarantine.

[H2only]

I am curious why didnt see the explosion of cases they were forecasting to hit at the start of Oct. (the vaccine was supposed to be available by this time, if you look back), now we are starting to see a rise in cases, and guess what right after the vaccine became available the numbers shoot up.

[tmn515]

lol I don't know what your agenda is...but if you don't want to get the shot...then don't get it! Easy.No one really cares.

and concerning the rise in number of cases, I am having a hard time going through my network of friends and finding somone who has NOT had this stuff...

no one is going to force you to get the shot...there is no big government conspiracy.

Troy

[jarredbehrendt]

The rise in number of cases can be attibuted to it now being flu season.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by tmn515

lol I don't know what your agenda is...but if you don't want to get the shot...then don't get it! Easy.No one really cares.

and concerning the rise in number of cases, I am having a hard time going through my network of friends and finding somone who has NOT had this stuff...

no one is going to force you to get the shot...there is no big government conspiracy.

Troy

Never said it was a conspiracy, and no i wont be getting it, this thread was a pro vs. con regarding the vaccine and the h1n1 in general, so to say "no one really cares" is a pretty bold statement to make, I would say 4 full pages proves that people on here do care, it just isnt what you believe, that doesnt make this discussion less valid.
It's funny that some seem more concerned about lipping a bass properly that shooting known harmful elements into their body because their told to do it against an illness that is less harmful than the common flu.

[tmn515]

Ok, you are right. I shouldn't have said no one cares. Obviously some do. I retract that.

Troy
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[H2only]

Originally Posted by jarredbehrendt

The rise in number of cases can be attibuted to it now being flu season.

I was talking further than our borders as well:

"The countries in the southern hemisphere have already gone through their fall and winter, that is the seasons of peak flu infections. Epidemiologists and virologists have been surprised at how mild this flu pandemic has been in the Southern Hemisphere, with relatively few deaths and few hospitalizations in most areas.

The study reported in the New England Journal of Medicine on October 8, 2009, called the AZIC study, analyzed all ICU admissions in New Zealand and Australia, looking at a number of factors.6 Here is what they found.

ICU Hospitalizations

Out of a population of 25 million people, 722 were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) with a confirmed diagnosis of H1N1 influenza. Overall, 856 people were admitted with a flu virus, but 11.3% were a type A flu that was not subtyped and 4.3% were seasonal flu.

They also analyzed the number of people admitted with viral pneumonia and found the following:

Number of People Admitted to the Hospital each Year with Viral Pneumonia5

57 people in 2005
33 people in 2006
69 people in 2007
69 people in 2008
37 people in 2009

They also found that the average person’s risk of ending up in the ICU was one in 35,714 or about three thousandths of one percent (0.00285%), an incredibly low risk. When they looked at actual admission to the ICU, they found that it was people aged 25 to 49 who made up the largest number admitted. Infants from birth to age 1 year had the higher admission per population, and had a high mortality rate.