H1N1 Vaccine Dangers

[Fishingnerd33]

After I read this, it settled any inkling I had that might have led me to think about getting the vaccine. I strongly urge anyone who is considering getting the vaccine to read into its ingredients and the dangers associated with them. Also look at what Mercury does to the human body. (another ingredient in the vaccine)

"No one should take the swine flu vaccine. It is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease).

This virus H1N1 kills by causing a ”cytokine storm," which means that it cause the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.


One's best protection is vitamin D3. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that do not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection.

Fish oils (the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient. For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of various kinds also help. This includes quercetin, curcumin, grapeseed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core (www.vrp.com ) is also essential."

RUSSELL L. BLAYLOCK, M.D.

If you would like Dr. Blaylock's Credentials, I can post them as well.

[Fishingnerd33]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

We might find out in 30 years that this vaccine was terrible for us, or we might find out in 2 months that those who didn't get the vaccine are now infected with H1N1. Lots of great material for both the left and right to spread fear.

Getting the vaccine doesn't mean you won't get the virus. My dad has gotten one flu shot in his life. Three weeks after he got it he caught the worst flu in his life, we about lost him from it.

A friend of mine (school teacher) got the vaccine last week, this week he's at home sick with the H1N1.

I'll take my chances without the vaccine. I'm not too fond of mercury coarsing through my veins.

[Ty Stromquist]

Guys I dont know what to think of all of this. The common flu shot I heard was the same thing. I do know my 3 year old had it last week and was running a 104 temp and it was very very rough on him. He lost 10 lbs in 3 days and seriously I did get pretty scared for a while for him. Well today he is already better and I actually took him out duck hunting. He isnt even coughing now. No meds given but Ibprofren and Tylenol.

Now theres a boy at my wife's work that might not make it. Its scary to hear. Hes 6 and is in critical condition on a ventilator and in a drug induced coma. I hear of lots of people like that.

Now if that would happen to my kid or something even worse I dont know how I could live on knowing that I made the decision to not let him have that vaccine.

Its a double edged sword really.


Whats a man to do?

Anyone know if this has actually been proven true that these chemicals are in the vaccine? Sounds like some made up BS to me to just scare people from the anti-vaccine crowd.

Remember its called modern medicine. Im going to trust them......... well to a point. The regular flu vaccine has been used for YEARS and this cant be much different.

[Fishingnerd33]

If the vaccine isn't bad for you why haven't the president's own daughters received it? You can't tell me there isn't enough vaccine that the president can't get some...if he's not willing to put that stuff into his own daughters, why should he expect the rest of the country to do it?

Ty,

I don't have proof that these chemicals are in the vaccines, but I'm not willing to take the chance. It's put people in such a tough place, basically having to choose between allowing your child to get the H1N1 or take the vaccine and have who-knows-what going into their system. Sucks.

[H2only]

H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients


also:
"Thimerosal in the Swine Flu Vaccine

All manufacturers of the swine flu vaccine include thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, in multi-dose injectable formulations of the H1N1 vaccine. In addition, the single-dose formulation produced by Novartis contains trace amounts of thimerosal."

from: Substances Found In Swine Flu (H1N1) Shots: Chemicals Used in H1N1 Vaccine Injections by Various Manufacturers | Suite101.com

[Fish On]

I'm no DR., but I live close to a Holiday Inn Express. I believe a flu shot wether h1n1 or whatever needs a couple weeks to "incubate" in the body before it becomes effective. Thus Nerds friend did not have enough time to for the shot to be effective. As for mercury, I'm not saying it's a good thing to put into ones body, but as a kid my dad had a small jar of it. I thought the stuff was pretty neat. I played with mercury several times, rolling it around on a towel sticking my fingers into it etc. Thats been 30 years ago, so far so good. I hope it stays that way, but who knows maybe a few years down the road it'll hit me???

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Fishingnerd33

If the vaccine isn't bad for you why haven't the president's own daughters received it? You can't tell me there isn't enough vaccine that the president can't get some...if he's not willing to put that stuff into his own daughters, why should he expect the rest of the country to do it?

he just waiting for the rest of us to have access to it first, you know, being a nice guy about it, look how convincing he is here. I would think, him being the person who runs this country, and the one who declared it a National Health Emergency, would maybe think that 4 doses could be allowed for him and his family without depleting the doses for the rest of us, but no, he will just let the more "at risk" get it first.

[tontoman]

From the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services Oct 9, 2009:

"Pregnant women are at high risk for serious and fatal outcomes from novel H1N1 infection... Please strongly recommend your pregnant patients receive an H1N1 flu shot as soon as it is available"

If you don't want a shot then don't get one. But seriously, the flu shot saves lives.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by tontoman

But seriously, the flu shot saves lives.

absolutely, agree with you 100%, but it also destroys lives as well, and that is the point here, to educate yourself from BOTH sides of the issue and make your own judgement, rather than just doing it because they tell you to

[H2only]

recent article showing the numbers of cases are not as they seem.

Swine Flu Cases Overestimated? - CBS News

[Shorty]

Even if you choose to get vacinated against H1N1 you might have to wait in line for until the supply gets better.

CDC: 8 Million More Doses of H1N1 Vaccine Available, But Getting Vaccinated Still 'Too Hard' - H1N1 - FOXNews.com

[Harold]

Here is what I have accumulated concerning this subject.

"Dr. Dean" claimed on his radio show that there is NO live virus in the medication for the "swine" variety of the flu. HE DID NOT SEPARATE THE NEEDLE FROM THE SPRAY! And he continued with a political "rant" about those (Like Rush Limbaugh) that are downplaying the "epidemic".

THE NEXT DAY Dr. Tony, from ALMA, NE confirmed that the Nasal Spray DID contain live virus. Mrs. H-F-E was told by Kearney Clinic that she should take the SHOT and NOT the nasal spray, because of her (low case and well controlled) diabetes. Those with some "diseases" should avoid the nasal spray because the live virus CAN live in those with lower than normal temperatures.

Unfortunately, "Dr. Dean" has a bigger audience than Dr. Tony or the Kearney Clinic!

I WON'T be taking the nasal spray, quite frankly because I haven't been "to the doctor" since they slapped my mother when I came out, and have NO CLUE what my "real health" is! I may get around to flipping a coin to determine if I'll get the shot.

Amazing, this is an "epidemic" and you still have to PAY FOR IT! Must not be a "serious" epidemic... like Polio in the 50's.

I've STILL got that "round mark" on my upper left arm from that shot!

Harold F.

Final comment. Wonder why the "third world nations" aren't dying out in huge numbers? It appears that this strain of flu isn't so much "deadly" as it is simply more "catching".

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Harold

Final comment. Wonder why the "third world nations" aren't dying out in huge numbers? It appears that this strain of flu isn't so much "deadly" as it is simply more "catching".

interesting isnt it? Also interesting how Mexico was the starting point of it, heard much about them regarding massive infections or deaths? me neither.
here are some number to ponder as well:

World wide cases: 400,000
Deaths world wide: 4735
Deaths in america: 3600
Deaths in europe: 207

hmmm? America takes nearly 75% of the deaths?

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by H2only

hmmm? America takes nearly 75% of the deaths?

We have the ability to test for H1N1 strain to determine COD where most 3rd world countries don't. I am guessing that elsewhere the tests are not getting done and there is no way to actually determine if it was H1N1, the regular flu, pneumonia, or even something else.

Keep your fingers crossed that the H1N1 virus does not mutate into something much worse.

[H2only]

Europe is far from a 3rd world country

[Fishingnerd33]

Originally Posted by H2only

interesting isnt it? Also interesting how Mexico was the starting point of it, heard much about them regarding massive infections or deaths? me neither.
here are some number to ponder as well:

World wide cases: 400,000
Deaths world wide: 4735
Deaths in america: 3600
Deaths in europe: 207

hmmm? America takes nearly 75% of the deaths?

Interesting. One might venture a guess it is because here we go out and load up on chemicals at the first sign of a sniffle, covering the symptoms and not fixing the deficiency in our own body. Or maybe the highly processed food which takes out any semblance of nutrition from the food. Or maybe it could be because we have to be constantly on the go with minimal sleep so our bodies can't possibly produce enough natural energy/adrenaline on four hours of sleep a night. Just an idea, ditch the chemicals, ditch the highly processed diet and fix the sickness not the symptoms.

Vitamins and whole food supplements are the way to go!

[Fishingnerd33]

Just so everyone is clear, I didn't start this thread to tell everyone what to decide as far as taking the vaccine. I just wanted to present some information to help in your decision. What you do is your choice, it's completely up to you. I just encourage you to look into it so you fully understand the risks, benefits, costs, etc.

Didn't want to stir up the waters at all, just presenting information.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by H2only

Europe is far from a 3rd world country

True, but Europe also has a high degree of socialized medicine and maybe testing for a definitive COD is just not in the budget.

[H2only]

Originally Posted by Shorty

True, but Europe also has a high degree of socialized medicine and maybe testing for a definitive COD is just not in the budget.

agreed but it seems even here in the good ol USA we have our own issues with proper testing, from my link posted earlier

In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

so many of "our" recorded deaths could be from the regular flu as well.

[tjm]

Originally Posted by Harold

Here is what I have accumulated concerning this subject.

"Dr. Dean" claimed on his radio show that there is NO live virus in the medication for the "swine" variety of the flu.

THE NEXT DAY Dr. Tony, from ALMA, NE confirmed that the Nasal Spray DID contain live virus. Mrs. H-F-E was told by Kearney Clinic that she should take the SHOT and NOT the nasal spray, because of her (low case and well controlled) diabetes.

As you figured out the shot does not have a live virus. The nasal spray does, but it has been modified as to not be able to surviive in the lungs. This is true of all flu vaccines, not just the H1N1. We were able to get my oldest child the shot due to his asthma. (Those with Asthma should not get the nasal spary).

We got both of our kids the H1N1 vaccine and am not concerned at all. I would be more concerned if they didn't get it.